Plane for the kids

My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are
old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions
would be appreciated...

1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I
aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer
hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would
be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be
fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or
a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice
too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to
fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of
two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once
they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying
until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy
with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they
will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years.

-Robert, CFI

("Robert M. Gary" wrote)
My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are old
enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions would be
appreciated...


How about a glider? Now.

You could do a trade for their glider lessons - unless you also instruct in
gliders.


Montblack

Considering the stress of being in a family, dads and teens,
I would suggest that you lease a taildragger, maybe a tandem
cockpit and HIRE another instructor. Your kids will listen
more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you
for clarification and support. If you are the INSTRUCTOR
and the dad, they will have conflicts and slow progress
IMHO.

You can use the Mooney for some of the required training and
a simple VFR old or new (think light sport aircraft) to make
them look out the windows. California tax law is beyond
anybody's answer but you can put all your stuff in some big
trucks and go to Arizona.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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| My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives.
Now they are
| getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying
them a plane
| and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years
before they are
| old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group
suggestions
| would be appreciated...
|
| 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn
to fly can I
| aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long
can a dealer
| hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or
so, it would
| be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
| 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in
that would be
| fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a
Taylorcraft or
| a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a
good choice
| too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun
for dad to
| fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
| 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I
do know of
| two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it.
However, once
| they finished their private life seems to prevent much
other flying
| until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will
be pretty busy
| with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good
college they
| will want to earn their private and then set it aside for
some years.
|
| -Robert, CFI
|

One of my hangar neighbors has bought two 56 172's over the last couple
of years, one for his kid to learn in. He paid about $23K for each.
Cessna 150/152's are horrible at even our field elevation of 3650, you
can't give one of those away around here. The older 172's perform
pretty well and you won't lose any money when you sell it.



Robert M. Gary wrote:

My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are
old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions
would be appreciated...

1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I
aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer
hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would
be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be
fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or
a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice
too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to
fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of
two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once
they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying
until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy
with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they
will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years.

-Robert, CFI

Jim Macklin had some good ideas.
I would agree that you might want to consider having someone else be the
CFI to avoid conflict. You can supplement Mooney time for practical
experience on family trips.
Definitely consider the taildragger for primary training. It is much
more fun, they will learn more, and you can have fun with it, also.
Train for the PPL in the taildragger. The skills acquired in the
taildragger will benefit them in future flight training. The
high-performance can be added later in the Mooney.
Buy or lease will depend on you finances.

I'm looking forward to that day. My son will be 12 in a couple months and
we kid each other about buying him a SuperCub someday (ok Dad, time to sell
the house, pitch a tent, and buy a SuperCub) But seriously, I kick that
question around all the time.... which airplane would be a good trainer for
him to learn in yet provide Dad with something fun, reasonably fast, and
that would ultimately get Dad off his arse and finally build that grass
strip and hanger in front of the house? SuperCubs being priced what they
are, I keep leaning towards a C170 with a 180hp conversion and C180 gear
legs.

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane
and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are
old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions
would be appreciated...

1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I
aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer
hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would
be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be
fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or
a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice
too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to
fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of
two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once
they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying
until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy
with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they
will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years.

-Robert, CFI

Build your own and have the kids help. You can build a Cub,
plans and kits are available. You've got 4-5 years to build
it before the kid will be old enough to solo.

There are choices, the instructor is more important than the
airplane, a good instructor can make the student use the
rudder and land straight even in a CE-150.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Jim Burns" wrote in
message ...
| I'm looking forward to that day. My son will be 12 in a
couple months and
| we kid each other about buying him a SuperCub someday (ok
Dad, time to sell
| the house, pitch a tent, and buy a SuperCub) But
seriously, I kick that
| question around all the time.... which airplane would be a
good trainer for
| him to learn in yet provide Dad with something fun,
reasonably fast, and
| that would ultimately get Dad off his arse and finally
build that grass
| strip and hanger in front of the house? SuperCubs being
priced what they
| are, I keep leaning towards a C170 with a 180hp conversion
and C180 gear
| legs.
|
| Jim
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire
lives. Now they are
| getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of
buying them a plane
| and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years
before they are
| old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some
group suggestions
| would be appreciated...
|
| 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn
to fly can I
| aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How
long can a dealer
| hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months
or so, it would
| be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
| 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in
that would be
| fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a
Taylorcraft or
| a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a
good choice
| too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something
fun for dad to
| fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
| 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly?
I do know of
| two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it.
However, once
| they finished their private life seems to prevent much
other flying
| until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will
be pretty busy
| with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good
college they
| will want to earn their private and then set it aside
for some years.
|
| -Robert, CFI
|
|
|

("Jim Burns" wrote)
...and that would ultimately get Dad off his arse and finally build that
grass strip and hanger in front of the house?


It's like a golf course - you want it ready later, you need to built it now.
g

Start with the strip.


Montblack

Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support.

I think that's true with the wife, I'm not worried about that with the
kids.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come
to you for clarification and support.

I think that's true with the wife, I'm not worried about that with the
kids.

-Robert

My brother taught his son to fly in his T-18. He's (My nephew, not my
brother) now working on getting a job as a pilot (He's done with college,
and is building hours).

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