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![]() Not me. It's down and bolted :-))))))) |
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![]() "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... wrote: http://www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/cs...iewone&id =41 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629804/posts Yes, I've been flying a retractable for only two years now and am paranoid about making a gear-up landing. It can obviously happen to anyone. Matt You're right, and the way to approach this issue is by realizing exactly this, then setting up a personal regimen for a pre-landing cross-check that is deliberately formated to be an exact final cross check procedure executed the same way as a habit pattern every time you fly. There are many of these axioms in use, and every pilot has his/her own favorite. It doesn't matter which one is used, as long as it's used exactly the same way every time you fly and at the same place in the approach every time. This has to become an ingrained habit pattern. My own personal cross check in ADDITION to the required regular pre-landing checklists, and the one I taught for years to every pilot I trained was the following; done on final. This cross check was always said aloud and each item had to be touched and verified as it was spoken. "All good pilots must land fine check" Each word was spoken individually as it was checked All: Altimeter Good; Gas Pilots; Prop Must; Mixture Land; Landing Gear Fine; Flaps Check; Carb Heat (if applicable) 50 years in retracts. No wheels up landings :-))) Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... wrote: http://www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/cs...iewone&id =41 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629804/posts Yes, I've been flying a retractable for only two years now and am paranoid about making a gear-up landing. It can obviously happen to anyone. Matt You're right, and the way to approach this issue is by realizing exactly this, then setting up a personal regimen for a pre-landing cross-check that is deliberately formated to be an exact final cross check procedure executed the same way as a habit pattern every time you fly. There are many of these axioms in use, and every pilot has his/her own favorite. It doesn't matter which one is used, as long as it's used exactly the same way every time you fly and at the same place in the approach every time. This has to become an ingrained habit pattern. My own personal cross check in ADDITION to the required regular pre-landing checklists, and the one I taught for years to every pilot I trained was the following; done on final. This cross check was always said aloud and each item had to be touched and verified as it was spoken. "All good pilots must land fine check" Each word was spoken individually as it was checked All: Altimeter Good; Gas Pilots; Prop Must; Mixture Land; Landing Gear Fine; Flaps Check; Carb Heat (if applicable) 50 years in retracts. No wheels up landings :-))) I use the GUMPS check, but as you say, the important thing is to do the same thing every time, no matter what the circumstances. This is obviously easy to say, and easy to do assuming no distractions of any substance. My concern is distractions. I run the GUMPS check on downwind, after completing the turn to base and after completing the turn to final. I then do one more check right before crossing the runway threshold: I look at the runway lights and say "lights, lights." Which is when I see the runway lights I double check the gear lights. Takes just a second and it is one last reminder to check. I hope my two years becomes your 50 years! Although, I likely won't hold a medical long enough for that to happen as I was mid-40s when I first flew a retractable. Matt |
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About distraction and the cross check;
It's for this exact reason we do the cross check. Distraction is something that every instructor working in the complex environment should be dealing with from the first hour of dual with a pilot moving up into complex aircraft. In fact, it's SO important, it should be treated as a formal step into the complex checkout scenario. The way the instructor handles this single issue will either produce a pilot who has a habit pattern that will stay with him/her the rest of their flying days, or simply one more pilot pushed through the complex checkout stage who is a gear up landing waiting to happen. The role of the complex check pilot is CRITICAL in creating this habit pattern in the pilot being trained. The way it's handled will of course vary from instructor to instructor. I suggest introducing the issue of distraction during the FIRST dual session with a complex transition pilot; first stressing it's existence and dangers in the retract gear environment in the multi-task scenario, then stressing the need for the gear cross check on final. Now this seems normal enough at first glance, and naturally every instructor will do this. But wait........there's more to creating a habit pattern in a pilot then the first step!!!!!!! Usually at this point, this information is simply digested by the trainee as one more thing to remember, but the seed is planted. The next stage is critical. Just planting the seed for a needed habit pattern is not nearly enough, and this unfortunately is where many complex instructors fumble the ball. On EVERY FLIGHT with a complex trainee, before the flight, during the flight, and after the flight, the need for the cross check on final should be RE-INTRODUCED by the instructor. In other words, this single facet of a complex checkout should be repeated on each flight several times. By doing this, the CONSTANT REPETITION of a single item becomes ingrained as a conditioned mental reflex that will function in a distraction environment. Also, one more thing on distraction; The cross check is SO important, and SO critical, that the way it should be taught is that ANYTHING causing a break in the cross check requires a RECHECK of the cross check itself!!. The end result of all this is hopefully a pilot with a highly trained mental trigger concerning his/her final cross check who will be on final and half way through the final pre landing cross check as a distraction occurs. The pilot will AUTOMATICALLY handle the distraction, then REDO the final cross check. If you train yourself to this level of awareness about your final cross check, you should be just fine in the complex environment. One additional thing; your "concern" about making a gear up landing is actually a desired result of proper training for a complex pilot. It's this "concern" that defines the edge that triggers the cross check. So relax......you're perfectly normal!! :-))))))) Dudley Henriques Dudley Henriques "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Dudley Henriques wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... wrote: http://www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/cs...iewone&id =41 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629804/posts Yes, I've been flying a retractable for only two years now and am paranoid about making a gear-up landing. It can obviously happen to anyone. Matt You're right, and the way to approach this issue is by realizing exactly this, then setting up a personal regimen for a pre-landing cross-check that is deliberately formated to be an exact final cross check procedure executed the same way as a habit pattern every time you fly. There are many of these axioms in use, and every pilot has his/her own favorite. It doesn't matter which one is used, as long as it's used exactly the same way every time you fly and at the same place in the approach every time. This has to become an ingrained habit pattern. My own personal cross check in ADDITION to the required regular pre-landing checklists, and the one I taught for years to every pilot I trained was the following; done on final. This cross check was always said aloud and each item had to be touched and verified as it was spoken. "All good pilots must land fine check" Each word was spoken individually as it was checked All: Altimeter Good; Gas Pilots; Prop Must; Mixture Land; Landing Gear Fine; Flaps Check; Carb Heat (if applicable) 50 years in retracts. No wheels up landings :-))) I use the GUMPS check, but as you say, the important thing is to do the same thing every time, no matter what the circumstances. This is obviously easy to say, and easy to do assuming no distractions of any substance. My concern is distractions. I run the GUMPS check on downwind, after completing the turn to base and after completing the turn to final. I then do one more check right before crossing the runway threshold: I look at the runway lights and say "lights, lights." Which is when I see the runway lights I double check the gear lights. Takes just a second and it is one last reminder to check. I hope my two years becomes your 50 years! Although, I likely won't hold a medical long enough for that to happen as I was mid-40s when I first flew a retractable. Matt |
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![]() Dudley Henriques wrote: [wonderful response to gear up comments snipped] Dudley, This kind of gem is why I wish you were still instructing (in my neck of the woods). Of course, you are still instructing on usenet, I just learned something. John Stevens PP-ASEL |
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Thank you. Appreciate you taking the time.
Dudley wrote in message ups.com... Dudley Henriques wrote: [wonderful response to gear up comments snipped] Dudley, This kind of gem is why I wish you were still instructing (in my neck of the woods). Of course, you are still instructing on usenet, I just learned something. John Stevens PP-ASEL |
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Yea, talk about distractions, there was a Learjet gear up recently at
Sacramento Executive. The pilot said he got distracted looking for a helicopter. -Robert Matt Whiting wrote: Dudley Henriques wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... wrote: http://www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/cs...iewone&id =41 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629804/posts Yes, I've been flying a retractable for only two years now and am paranoid about making a gear-up landing. It can obviously happen to anyone. Matt You're right, and the way to approach this issue is by realizing exactly this, then setting up a personal regimen for a pre-landing cross-check that is deliberately formated to be an exact final cross check procedure executed the same way as a habit pattern every time you fly. There are many of these axioms in use, and every pilot has his/her own favorite. It doesn't matter which one is used, as long as it's used exactly the same way every time you fly and at the same place in the approach every time. This has to become an ingrained habit pattern. My own personal cross check in ADDITION to the required regular pre-landing checklists, and the one I taught for years to every pilot I trained was the following; done on final. This cross check was always said aloud and each item had to be touched and verified as it was spoken. "All good pilots must land fine check" Each word was spoken individually as it was checked All: Altimeter Good; Gas Pilots; Prop Must; Mixture Land; Landing Gear Fine; Flaps Check; Carb Heat (if applicable) 50 years in retracts. No wheels up landings :-))) I use the GUMPS check, but as you say, the important thing is to do the same thing every time, no matter what the circumstances. This is obviously easy to say, and easy to do assuming no distractions of any substance. My concern is distractions. I run the GUMPS check on downwind, after completing the turn to base and after completing the turn to final. I then do one more check right before crossing the runway threshold: I look at the runway lights and say "lights, lights." Which is when I see the runway lights I double check the gear lights. Takes just a second and it is one last reminder to check. I hope my two years becomes your 50 years! Although, I likely won't hold a medical long enough for that to happen as I was mid-40s when I first flew a retractable. Matt |
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