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Hi!
I am a PPL, and co owner of an Arrow. I have just over 250 hours total time, vfr only, and lot's of cross country. However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. I know the sky is big, and probability is not very high, but still it nags me to the point that I feel I would be a better pilot if I could just let it go. Off course still keeping a proper scan etc. Now, I'm constantly looking for traffic, instead of relaxing, calmly doing the checklists etc. I bought one of the passive collision devices, and every time something shows up there, I try to figure out where it is, especially if I get a reading around 1-2 nm away within +-500 feet. I know these things are not excactly dead on most of the time, but they do tell you somethings out there. Maybe it's just adding to my nercousness not seeing most of the traffic it detects. Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? Before I started on my PPL, I witnessed a midair from a cruise ship in France. Maybe that's why I'm a bit obsessed with it. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? How easy is it really to see another AC once it get's closer than normal? I'm thinking if it getęs real close it will be rather obvious, since most traffic I'm able to spot now is 1-2 nm away, and look really small and hard to see. Thanks for any input on this. Frode |
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My instructor always told me to look for an object in the sky that does
not appear to be moving. If you see that, do something immediately, because you are dead-on a collision course. I've had what I consider close calls over the years, the most memorable being when I saw an SR-22 dart across my field of view from right to left very quickly. I immediately banked over to the right at a 45 degree angle and pulled hard to insure we'd pass behind the guy - he appeared to do absolutely nothing. Basically my theory is that mid-airs can only happen when both pilots are inattentive, or neither can see the other due to a perfect alignment obscuring both planes behind wings, struts, or what have you. Since you seem to be overly cautious, I'd suggest that you have nothing to worry about... but don't stop being as vigilant as you are - that's exactly how I think one should approach flying... always be thinking ahead of the plane, and that includes keeping up your visual see & avoid scan. -- Guy |
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However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert
towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. [...] I feel I would be a better pilot if I could just let it go Nope. If you "just let it go" you would be an accident waiting to happen. While you are vigilant, you are doing exactly what you should be doing. I bought one of the passive collision devices, and every time something shows up there, I try to figure out where it is, especially if I get a reading around 1-2 nm away within +-500 feet. I know these things are not excactly dead on most of the time, but they do tell you somethings out there. These devices are helpful, but one must be careful that one doesn't keep their eyeballs inside the cockpit looking at the device instead of outside. Like you, I don't always see the depicted traffic. Airplanes look pretty small at two miles, and can easily get lost in ground clutter or blue sky. They are probably not a collision hazard at that distance if their track and yours diverge (though they could change course). At two miles, unless they are moving straight towards you, there is plenty of time to see and avoid. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? In the pattern, it's certainly a concern. Lots of people entering and leaving, a few on odd courses, and some with no radio (or worse, bad position reports). Eyeballs are put to maximum use. Over VORs is another congestion point, and low down near airports is another hot spot. In the mid thousands in cruise, it is far less likely to bump into surprise aluminum, but it can happen. Don't let the =fear= rule you, but do keep the =attention= outside looking for traffic and keeping up with your position. You'll get to relax and enjoy the view with more time in the air. Jose -- The price of freedom is... well... freedom. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Frode Berg wrote:
However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. There's no such thing as being "overly" alert. The alerter, the better :-). Sans drugs, of course :-). Now, I'm constantly looking for traffic, instead of relaxing, calmly doing the checklists etc. Looking for traffic should be part of your normal scan - in VFR flight, 95% of your attention should be outside the cockpit anyway. Nothing wrong with that. Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? My wife does - she spends 80% of the time in the plane with me worrying about hitting the 747 she can see 25 miles away, at 25K ft. I've gotten her to worry a lot less, but she really doesn't like flying over the LA basin. If a plane passes by 1 mile away, 500 ft. above us, she's very concerned. As a long-time glider pilot, used to flying with 4 other 60 ft. wingspan gliders in a 300 ft. diameter thermal, I don't worry about it much, especially if I can see them. We used to fly in the Boston/NY corridor all the time - we'd rarely get within 1-2 miles of anyone. Just the familiarity, and seeing that you DON'T have near hits on a regular basis helped her. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? Very small. Read the Nall Report at: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html Midair collisions are a minuscule percentage of total fatal accidents, and almost all of them happen in the pattern. There were 6 fatal midairs in 2005, out of 290 fatal accidents. That's 2% of the total fatals. There were 10 total midairs, out of 1413 total accidents - that's 0.7% of all accidents. Showing these statistics to my wife helped her become less nervous about midairs. Worry about CFIT or running out of gas, or some of the other stuff that the Nall Report points out as being far more likely to bite you (most of which are judgement errors). -- Marc J. Zeitlin http://www.cozybuilders.org/ Copyright (c) 2006 |
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Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:
Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? My wife does - she spends 80% of the time in the plane with me worrying about hitting the 747 she can see 25 miles away, at 25K ft. I've gotten her to worry a lot less, but she really doesn't like flying over the LA basin. If a plane passes by 1 mile away, 500 ft. above us, she's very concerned. I don't know how to break a pilot of the worry but I sure know how to divert a passenger's attention back inside. Start tapping the oil pressure gauge and start muttering to yourself until you have her attention. When she asks what's wrong, tell her you thought you saw the oil pressure gauge flicker out of the corner of your eye... just can't be sure. I had an overly talkative passenger once that I shut up completely with that little technique. Didn't hear another word. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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On 4 May 2006 16:45:50 -0700, "Guy Elden Jr"
wrote in .com:: Basically my theory is that mid-airs can only happen when both pilots are inattentive, or neither can see the other due to a perfect alignment obscuring both planes behind wings, struts, or what have you. Of course that theory fails to consider the closing speed of the aircraft. There was a military/civil MAC on November 16, 2000 in which an F-16 at about 500 knots impacted a C-172. Although the C-172 pilot was banked 45 degrees away from the F-16 at the time of impact, it only took one pilot not seeing the other to cause this MAC. You can read about it he http://tinyurl.com/jzxhk The F-16 pilot ejected, and the ATP rated Cessna pilot and his aircraft were scattered over 4 acres of golf course. The flight lead received a verbal reprimand despite violating several regulations such as speeding through congested Class B and C terminal airspace without a clearance, ... |
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![]() Frode Berg wrote: Hi! I am a PPL, and co owner of an Arrow. I have just over 250 hours total time, vfr only, and lot's of cross country. However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. I know the sky is big, and probability is not very high, but still it nags me to the point that I feel I would be a better pilot if I could just letit go. Off course still keeping a proper scan etc. Now, I'm constantly looking for traffic, instead of relaxing, calmly doing the checklists etc. I bought one of the passive collision devices, and every time something shows up there, I try to figure out where it is, especially if I get a reading around 1-2 nm away within +-500 feet. I know these things are not excactly dead on most of the time, but they do tell you somethings out there. Maybe it's just adding to my nercousness not seeing most of the traffic it detects. Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? Before I started on my PPL, I witnessed a midair from a cruise ship in France. Maybe that's why I'm a bit obsessed with it. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? How easy is it really to see another AC once it get's closer than normal? I'm thinking if it getęs real close it will be rather obvious, since most traffic I'm able to spot now is 1-2 nm away, and look really small and hard to see. Thanks for any input on this. Frode While mid-air collisions are rare, they have a high probability of being fatal. A healthy fear of mid-airs is a good thing, but not to the extent of becoming paranoid. Read the Nall report. It shows that most mid-airs occur near airports. One should be able to compute the probability of a midair based on traffic volume, but a better indicator is the NTSB reports. Midairs during enroute are extremely rare. If you rank all the things that can go wrong during flight, I suspect enroute mid-air will rank lower compared to weather, equipment problems, engine trouble, fuel starvation etc.. It's not to say that collision avoidance should be taken lightly, but don't ignore the other factors that may have higher risk factors. Utilize ATC as much as possible. Although they do not separate VFR traffic, they do issue advisories if another aircraft gets too close to you. |
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"Frode Berg" wrote in message
... [...] Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? Nope, never had an issue with that particular phobia. That said, IMHO that's what it is. A phobia. Every pilot should be aware of, and take steps to avoid, the hazard of running into other aircraft. But for that concern to be at the forefront of your piloting concerns isn't rational. It's not my place to offer psychological advice here (or anywhere else, for that matter). But I can tell you that when I run into something like this (and I have in other areas), it does take a little doing, but by reminding myself of the irrational nature of my fears, I manage to get my perspective back on track. Whether this will work for you, I don't know. I do know you can't go flying around worrying about running into other aircraft all the time. Don't forget about the risk, but it doesn't deserve top-billing at the expense of other piloting duties. Before I started on my PPL, I witnessed a midair from a cruise ship in France. Maybe that's why I'm a bit obsessed with it. That certainly could be the catalyst. I saw a mid-air crash at the Reno air races one year, and it freaked me out for a little while. Oddly enough, not with respect to mid-airs, but just with respect to the question of crashing generally. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? Depends on where you are. In cruise flight out in the middle of nowhere, pretty slim. On an airway, somewhat higher (especially if you're climbing or descending or are near an airport where someone else might be). Over a nav aid, even a little higher. In the traffic pattern, a little higher again. The risk warrants careful attention to what's going on around you. But all in all, pilots do a pretty good job of avoiding each other. Mid-airs constitute a pretty small portion of all accidents. I don't know what the actual probability is, but the odds of being in ANY accident are reasonably low, and the odds of being in a mid-air are a fraction of that. How easy is it really to see another AC once it get's closer than normal? I'm thinking if it getęs real close it will be rather obvious, since most traffic I'm able to spot now is 1-2 nm away, and look really small and hard to see. You're not going to want to hear this. ![]() should be relatively easy to see when it's "closer than normal" (whatever that means ![]() appear to be motionless, and unless you are looking directly at it, you're unlikely to notice it. Human vision is hard-wired to do a better job at detecting moving objects. The easiest aircraft to see are the ones you don't have to worry about. Just make sure you spend an appropriate amount of time looking outside, and you pause for long enough looking at each "slice" of the sky around you. Don't forget that your airplane likely has blind spots, and that it's helpful to move your head around in the cockpit, to allow yourself to check behind structural parts of the cockpit. Allowing yourself the opportunity to look directly at any aircraft that are a threat is the best way to ensure that you will see them, and that you will avoid them. Pete |
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However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert
towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. We all treat risk differently, and many of us have little foibles and phobias. I've found that we also go through "phases" where different things bother us differently. I've gone through times when the risk of flying was more worrisome than others. Nothing specific, like you're going through, but more of a generalized concern (not quite "fear") about flying in general. When this happened I found myself hyper-alert, gripping the yoke a bit too hard, and, in general, not enjoying myself much. That phase passed -- and came back, and passed again -- over time. I've not found a correlation between anything in my life or flying to match up with this hyper-alertness, but it's annoying. However, it may even be healthy. Mary is going through a phase right now where turbulence really bothers her. When we're getting bounced around, especially on climb-out, she's white-knuckled all the way, and trying to get her to relax only aggravates the situation. She *knows* we're not going to fall out of the sky -- just like you *know* you're not about to hit anyone -- but that doesn't matter much. Unfortunately, things like this don't always follow logic. You just have to work your way through them. And you will. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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You're right to be concerned. You're wrong to be obsessive about it. The
awareness problem associated with flying is that over concentration on any single area opens a huge door to potential problems in other areas. In other words, there is just no room in flying for a mental state that involves an overpowering obsession with any single factor involved with that flying. The ideal mental state for a pilot is one of TOTAL awareness. We call it "situational awareness". As for your specific "problem", I'll assume you know how to scan for traffic, and know the blind spots of the specific aircraft you are flying so I'll simply leave it on the "total awareness" point and hope you see the importance implied. Best of luck to you. Dudley Henriques "Frode Berg" wrote in message ... Hi! I am a PPL, and co owner of an Arrow. I have just over 250 hours total time, vfr only, and lot's of cross country. However, during the past 3 years or so, I've constantly been overly alert towards the possibility of hitting something in the sky. I know the sky is big, and probability is not very high, but still it nags me to the point that I feel I would be a better pilot if I could just let it go. Off course still keeping a proper scan etc. Now, I'm constantly looking for traffic, instead of relaxing, calmly doing the checklists etc. I bought one of the passive collision devices, and every time something shows up there, I try to figure out where it is, especially if I get a reading around 1-2 nm away within +-500 feet. I know these things are not excactly dead on most of the time, but they do tell you somethings out there. Maybe it's just adding to my nercousness not seeing most of the traffic it detects. Anyone else had "mid-air-ities" and how did you deal with it? Before I started on my PPL, I witnessed a midair from a cruise ship in France. Maybe that's why I'm a bit obsessed with it. I mean, what are the probabilities of hitting someone? How easy is it really to see another AC once it get's closer than normal? I'm thinking if it getęs real close it will be rather obvious, since most traffic I'm able to spot now is 1-2 nm away, and look really small and hard to see. Thanks for any input on this. Frode |
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