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Old September 15th 06, 04:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Skylune[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf



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Old September 15th 06, 05:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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" DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


As they very well should be. We deserve the best.

Now if we could each receive a modest stipend to help offset the high cost
of fuel----------------------------

Cheers:

Tri-Pacer


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Old September 15th 06, 05:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


The data you provided does not indicate a subsidy to GA.


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Old September 15th 06, 05:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf




I looked at the info above and searched for South Arkansas which is my
airport. It quoted as service level of GA which is how I'm assuming you are
getting that it is a GA only airport. The only problem... This airport does
have scheduled commercial service by Mesa airlines and the specific work
done was primarily for them and the jets that fly for Murphy Oil Corp.

While Murphy Oil Corp is GA they raised over 2 million dollars of private
money for airport & terminal improvements which is a pretty good considering
we only got ~$800,000 in Federal grants.


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Old September 15th 06, 06:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Skylune[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

How do you figure, with the 05 capital grants obviously exceeding the
peanuts collected in AV gas taxes? Add in the amounts provided for annual
operating subsidies (which I don't have yet), and you get a MASSIVE
SUBSIDY. (which, by the way, the Bureau of Transportation STatistics
study confirms. GA gets a bigger subsidy than AMTRAK, for goodness
sakes.)

You "patriotic" American private pilots should pay for your own
entertainment. USER FEES NOW!!!

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Old September 15th 06, 06:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Skylune[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

You deserve USER FEES!!! And, you will have them, as well as additional
airspace restrictions and airport closures!!!

(The Destroyer's latest childish rant notwithstanding....)

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Old September 15th 06, 06:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tom Conner
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding
deriving from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare
that to 2005 capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL
2005 DATA below. (Note that these figures DO NOT include the
$150K annual operating subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


What are the definitions for the acronyms in the "Service Level" column?
The local GA airports that received grants are listed as "R" in this column.


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Old September 15th 06, 06:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Skylune" wrote:
How do you figure, with the 05 capital grants obviously exceeding the
peanuts collected in AV gas taxes?


Steven is correct - most of the grants listed appear to be for work that
primarily benefits air transport carriers.
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Old September 15th 06, 06:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

How do you figure, with the 05 capital grants obviously exceeding the
peanuts collected in AV gas taxes?


How much was collected in AV gas taxes in 05 and how much was spent in
capital grants at airports served only by AV gas burning GA aircraft?



Add in the amounts provided for annual
operating subsidies (which I don't have yet), and you get a MASSIVE
SUBSIDY. (which, by the way, the Bureau of Transportation STatistics
study confirms. GA gets a bigger subsidy than AMTRAK, for goodness
sakes.)


You get a subsidy if more is spent to benefit a specific class of user than
is collected from that same user. You have yet to show that is the case for
AV gas burning GA.


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Old September 15th 06, 06:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steve Foley[_1_]
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


Looks like they are classifying airline improvements as GA.

Take a look at Worcester Regional. The improvements were done specifically
to attract an airline, but they're listed as GA.

Why is Westover Airforce Base listed as GA?



http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf





 




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