Part 135 question

I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the guys with a
commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the right seat and
after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the aircraft.

Are there any regulations specifically precluding a pilot from doing this
or is it at the pilot's discretion?


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Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
...
I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the guys with a
commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.

I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a commuter flight
from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the right seat and
after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the aircraft.

Are there any regulations specifically precluding a pilot from doing this
or is it at the pilot's discretion?


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Dallas

I'd say it violates not one but maybe two sections of Part 135.

§ 135.115 Manipulation of controls.
No pilot in command may allow any person to manipulate the flight controls
of an aircraft during flight conducted under this part, nor may any person
manipulate the controls during such flight unless that person is-

(a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and qualified in the
aircraft; or

(b) An authorized safety representative of the Administrator who has the
permission of the pilot in command, is qualified in the aircraft, and is
checking flight operations.



If it is one that has more than 8 passenger seats it also violates this one.


§ 135.113 Passenger occupancy of pilot seat.
No certificate holder may operate an aircraft type certificated after
October 15, 1971, that has a passenger seating configuration, excluding any
pilot seat, of more than eight seats if any person other than the pilot in
command, a second in command, a company check airman, or an authorized
representative of the Administrator, the National Transportation Safety
Board, or the United States Postal Service occupies a pilot seat.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:41:12 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

If it is one that has more than 8 passenger seats

I think the 402 has 6 passenger seats so he's not on the hook there.

Thanks.
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Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message I think the 402 has 6 passenger seats so he's
not on the hook there.

The C-402 came in a commuter version with 10 seats total. You are thinking
of the Business-liner option for seating.

D.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:11:32 GMT, Capt.Doug wrote:

The C-402 came in a commuter version with 10 seats total.

Hard to believe you could get 10 people and their luggage on board. I
recall it doesn't fly very far on one engine.
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Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
Hard to believe you could get 10 people and their luggage on board. I
recall it doesn't fly very far on one engine.

That nose baggage compartment is bigger than it looks. It can be stuffed
with a lot of crap. I prefer the -402 over the Chieftain primarily for this
feature.

As with most light twins, there is a window of exposure where impact is
eminent if an engine fails. Usually that is from rotation to clearing
obstacles. I've never flown over gross, and I'll never do it again.
The -402B has 600 hp total and would maintain 200' MSL long enough to get me
over the buildings and to the ocean at 800 lbs over gross. The -402C has
650hp and longer wings. If the engines got me to 200', I could reach the
ocean at 1700 lbs over gross. With well maintained engines and a competent
pilot, both models will meet their certificated levels of performance.

D.

"Dallas" wrote in message ...
: On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:11:32 GMT, Capt.Doug wrote:
:
: The C-402 came in a commuter version with 10 seats total.
:
: Hard to believe you could get 10 people and their luggage on board. I
: recall it doesn't fly very far on one engine.
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: Dallas

We used to carry 8 plus us pilots...

I don't think a 402 has nine seats behind the pilots' seats
up front.

But you are correct about that being a violation too. But
even in a Bonanza or Lance, passengers can't fly.



"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
...
|
| "Dallas" wrote in
message
| ...
| I realize this is a GA group but I thought some of the
guys with a
| commercial ticket might be able to answer this question.
|
| I have a friend with a PP-SEL that was coming back on a
commuter flight
| from the Bahamas in a Cessna 402. He managed to get the
right seat and
| after chatting with the pilot, he was allowed to fly the
aircraft.
|
| Are there any regulations specifically precluding a
pilot from doing this
| or is it at the pilot's discretion?
|
|
| ---
| Dallas
|
| I'd say it violates not one but maybe two sections of Part
135.
|
| § 135.115 Manipulation of controls.
| No pilot in command may allow any person to manipulate the
flight controls
| of an aircraft during flight conducted under this part,
nor may any person
| manipulate the controls during such flight unless that
person is-
|
| (a) A pilot employed by the certificate holder and
qualified in the
| aircraft; or
|
| (b) An authorized safety representative of the
Administrator who has the
| permission of the pilot in command, is qualified in the
aircraft, and is
| checking flight operations.
|
|
|
| If it is one that has more than 8 passenger seats it also
violates this one.
|
|
| § 135.113 Passenger occupancy of pilot seat.
| No certificate holder may operate an aircraft type
certificated after
| October 15, 1971, that has a passenger seating
configuration, excluding any
| pilot seat, of more than eight seats if any person other
than the pilot in
| command, a second in command, a company check airman, or
an authorized
| representative of the Administrator, the National
Transportation Safety
| Board, or the United States Postal Service occupies a
pilot seat.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
I don't think a 402 has nine seats behind the pilots' seats
up front.

But you are correct about that being a violation too. But
even in a Bonanza or Lance, passengers can't fly.




Scheduled Skyways had a couple back in the late 70's early 80's that I
really think were configured for 10 pax. But we are stretching my memory
way, way too much and they might have been 404s

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Scheduled Skyways had a couple back in the late 70's early 80's that I
really think were configured for 10 pax. But we are stretching my memory
way, way too much and they might have been 404s


I vaguely remember C-402s for sale in Trade-A-Plane with the 10 pax
configuration. Frankly, I don't know why they'd offer it like that. The C-402B
that I flew would have struggled to climb with 6 out of its 7 seats filled. The
C-402 is a sweet flying airplane but it's hardly a rocket when it comes to
lifting ability.



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com