What is an air combat victory? Pure egoism.

Such fighters might have
been hit, resulting in flashes and perhaps flames or trailing smoke
to be observed by the gunner,'

I seem to recall that the fuel injection in the Daimler-Benz engine
resulted in a puff of smoke when the 109 pilot pushed over, which
caused a lot of "confirmed kills" in the BOB, and no doubt elsewhere.

all the best -- Dan Ford (email: info AT danford.net)

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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police "Tarver
Engineering" blurted out:


If you want private conversation with Art, I recommend you use email.

I'm trying to imagine you with a personality.

Can't say as how I've learned much following this thread - except
Tarver was a weekend warrior. And here I've thought he was in the
active forces . . . tough duty in Fresno - it gets clear up over a
hundred there in the summer.
Walt BJ

"Walt BJ" wrote in message
om...
Can't say as how I've learned much following this thread - except
Tarver was a weekend warrior. And here I've thought he was in the
active forces . . . tough duty in Fresno - it gets clear up over a
hundred there in the summer.

I am pleased that you still spend your time thinking about me BJ.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:


Never fired a shot then? Pretty much identical, as far as service goes.
You do write in your book that others took the shots in Viet Nam, while
you
froze up.

What, is Tarver still alive?? Oh, the joys of the killfile ;-)
_____________
José Herculano

In message , José Herculano
writes
What, is Tarver still alive??

Who's Tarver?

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , José Herculano
writes
What, is Tarver still alive??

Who's Tarver?

I hate to see you as a little punk, Adam.

"José Herculano" wrote in message

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote:


Never fired a shot then? Pretty much identical, as far as service
goes. You do write in your book that others took the shots in Viet
Nam, while you froze up.

What, is Tarver still alive?? Oh, the joys of the killfile ;-)

I didn't even realize it until I saw a quote from him in a message Ed
posted.

I never knew the Tarverbot had such a...keen...interest in me until now. It
makes me feel...special. In a way that makes me want to bathe in 200F water
and scrub my skin with Lava soap for a few days.

--
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Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
"Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir
I hate furries.

Ed Rasimus wrote:

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

Never fired a shot then? Pretty much identical, as far as service goes.
You do write in your book that others took the shots in Viet Nam, while you
froze up.

So, now you add evidence that you either can't read or you fail to
understand the words on the page in front of you. Maybe you should go
back and give it another attempt. Or, possibly find a friend to read
it to you.

To hell with all that.

Me? I'd pay for a seat at the bar to watch that little
waterheaded creep trying to pull this horse**** in person.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: What is an air combat victory? Pure egoism.
From: "Peter Glasø" pgglaso@ broadpark.no

Studying past wars and campaigns is an essential part in the education of
military leaders - and historians play a key part in this.I think this is
taken very,very serious indeed at academies like west point and
sandhurst.

Yes,but it is all after the fact. And many of these historians never fired
a
shot or even saw a battle much less were in one. I rememeber when Keegan's
book
"The Face of Battle" was published. I rushed down to get a copy. I skipped
the
introduction and started reading voraciously. It was a let down. After
few
pages I put it down. I came back later and read some more. Something was
missing with this book. It was a book about battle but I couldn't smell
the
gunpowder. Where was the stink of the Cordite? It wasn't there. I then
read the
introduction and all came clear. Keegan was never in a battle. He never
even
saw one. His experience was zero. He is a "historian" who writes books
that
lack the sting of battle. I never finished it. Reality in real time just
isn't there. That is my personal take on it anyway. Your mileage may
vary.

Or to put it another way, it was a scholarly work based on collated fact
rather than the biased tripe you spout and evidently like to read as well.

By your own standards nothing you say on any subject except B26 ops is worth
anything.

Perhaps you have a point after all.