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![]() Here's a project for those who are complaining about aircraft noise to support: EU BACKS FUEL CELL AIRCRAFT BID The European Union has given Polytechnic of Turin, Italy, and its 11 partners about $6 million to install fuel cells and electric motors in a variety of two-place aircraft to show it can be done. But the real goal is to develop a 12- to 15-passenger commuter aircraft powered by fuel cells. "Hydrogen and fuel cell power technologies have now reached the point where they can [be] exploited to initiate a new era of propulsion systems for light aircraft and small commuter aircraft," says a report on the ENvironmentally Friendly Inter City Aircraft powered by Fuel Cells (ENFICA-FC) project's Web site (http://www.enfica-fc.polito.it/en/presentation). http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195334 Slideshow: http://www.enfica-fc.polito.it/en/documents/slideshow http://www.enfica-fc.polito.it ENvironmentally Friendly Inter City Aircraft powered by Fuel Cells (ENFICA-FC). The ENFICA-FC project led by Politecnico di Torino and comprising 11 partners has been selected for co-funding by the European Commission in the Aeronautics and Space priority of the Sixth Framework Programme (FP6). The main objective of the ENFICA-FC project is to develop and validate the use of a fuel cell based power system for the propulsion of more/all electric aircrafts. The fuel cell system will be installed in a selected aircraft which will be flight and performance tested as a proof of functionality and future applicability for inter city aircrafts. Through this project, the research and industrial Consortium partners will focus on developing and providing operational zero-pollution solutions to the immediate needs of aircraft services. The project will bring together key industrial and academic players in the design and development and validation of intercity aircraft together with fuel cell expertise for propulsion systems and hydrogen storage. The overall budget is 4.5 M€, of which 2.9 M€ will be funded by the European Commission. Hydrogen and fuel cell power technologies have now reached the point where they can exploited to initiate a new era of propulsion systems for light aircraft and small commuter aircraft. In addition, these technologies can also be developed for the future replacement of on-board electrical systems in larger ‘more-electric’ or ‘all-electric’ aircraft. The primary advantages of deploying these technologies are low noise and low emissions – features which are particularly important for commuter airplanes that usually take-off and land from urban areas. The possibility to takeoff and land without contravening the noise abatement regulations set for small airfields, in urban areas and near population centres, will allow the use of these airfields during the late night hours when the noise abatement regulations are even more stringent. No other Project funded by The European Commission promises such ambitious results which will be presented at both an on-ground public event and at an in-flight public event within the scheduled time. Within the course of the 3 years ENFICA-FC project, which was launched on the 1st of October 2006, two key objectives will be realised: 1) A feasibility study will be carried out to provide a preliminary definition of new forms of aircraft power systems that can be provided by fuel cell technologies (Auxiliar Power Unit, Primary electrical generation supply, Emergency electrical power supply, Landing gear, De-icing system, etc); also Safety, certification & maintenance concepts shall be defined as well as a Life Cycle Cost evaluation. In defining the Inter-City aircraft systems that can be powered byv fuel cell technologies, the feasibility study will take into account the performance improvements of future generation fuel-cells and will thereby show the technical (and performance) advantages that could be obtained in contrast to existing conventional systems. In addition, the feasibility of an all-electric propulsion inter-city aircraft (10-15 seat), completely powered by fuel cells, will be studied in order to assess the impact that a more silent and less polluting aircraft will have in being able to takeoff and land from congested urban areas using short airfields. 2) By the end of the project an electric-motor-driven two-seat airplane powered by fuel cells will be developed and validated by flight-test at a public event. An existing and certified high efficiency two-seat aircraft design will be used. The fuel cell system and the electric motor will be integrated on board; the flight control system will also be converted into an electric system. A fuel cell unit and a high efficiency brushless electric motors and power electronics apparatus for their control shall be designed, built and tested in laboratory prior to installation on board for flight; Efficiency greater than 90% would be obtained by an optimised aerodynamic propeller design and the flight mechanics study of the new aircraft will be carried out to verify the new flight performance. Flight testing of the aircraft capable of remaining aloft for one hour will be a major goal of the project to validate the overall high performance of an all electric aircraft system. |
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A tip-of-the-hat to the Europeans, who, along with the Asians, and the
Indians, and even some South American countries, are pulling ahead of the Americans in any number of technology areas. But we've got faith-based democracy! And a stay-the-course presidency. Yay. -- "He had delusions of adequacy." - Walter Kerr, who might've said it about dub-ya. |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:35:11 -0700, Bob Fry
wrote in : A tip-of-the-hat to the Europeans, who, along with the Asians, and the Indians, and even some South American countries, are pulling ahead of the Americans in any number of technology areas. But we've got faith-based democracy! And a stay-the-course presidency. Yay. Bowing partnered with a group in Spain: http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers...ust/i_atw.html Imagine an aviation technology that one day will be so energy-efficient and environmentally preferred that it will revolutionize the commercial airplane industry's use of fuel. If the Boeing Research and Technology Center in Madrid, Spain, has its way, this future won't be so far off. The center's first major project is one designed to both develop and flight-test a fuel cell-powered electric demonstrator airplane. Recently, the Center—which opened in July 2002—announced both the project and its industry partners. The Fuel Cell Demonstrator airplane is scheduled to make its first flight in late 2004 or early 2005. Boeing Phantom Works, the advanced research and development unit of the company, operates the R&T Center. Here's the futu http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...ionengine.html http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...r_030414s.html EDD will lead a team in the development of advanced Carbon-Based Ion Optics, or CBIO. These are the critical components of high-power gridded xenon ion thrusters that have a traditionally limited lifetime. A two-phase effort, the first phase entails a 16-month effort to design, fabricate and test ion optics made from carbon-carbon composites and pyrolytic graphite. The CBIO project also includes the development and validation of an Ion Optics Lifetime Computer Model to predict the performance and lifetime of candidate grid designs. The second phase is a 12 1/2-month extension period to develop and test carbon based ion optics designs for possible use on the next generation ion engine. EDD is teamed with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and NASA Glenn Research Center on the CBIO Project. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Here's a project for those who are complaining about aircraft noise to support: EU BACKS FUEL CELL AIRCRAFT BID The European Union has given Polytechnic of Turin, Italy, and its 11 partners about $6 million to install fuel cells and electric motors in a variety of two-place aircraft to show it can be done. Well for SIX MILLION dollars, it better be able to be done. Anybody can throw money at a problem and eventually come up with something that works. In the end, it has to be cost effective, useful and practical. |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:22:28 GMT, kontiki
wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: Here's a project for those who are complaining about aircraft noise to support: EU BACKS FUEL CELL AIRCRAFT BID The European Union has given Polytechnic of Turin, Italy, and its 11 partners about $6 million to install fuel cells and electric motors in a variety of two-place aircraft to show it can be done. Well for SIX MILLION dollars, it better be able to be done. Anybody can throw money at a problem and eventually come up with something that works. In the end, it has to be cost effective, useful and practical. Often the cost of developing a prototype exceeds the cost of the production product. |
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"kontiki" == kontiki writes:
kontiki Well for SIX MILLION dollars, it better be able to be kontiki done. $6M...isn't squat these days. If they can develop a prototype at that cost it's amazing. kontiki Anybody can throw money at a problem and eventually come kontiki up with something that works. Really?? Rather, anybody can throw money at a problem, and...keep throwing money at it. Like sending a flight loads of ca$h to Iraq [http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1734939,00.html and many other refs]. To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine. -- Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx, who must've known something about the bushies. |
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On Jun 6, 9:19 am, Bob Fry wrote:
"kontiki" == kontiki writes: kontiki Well for SIX MILLION dollars, it better be able to be kontiki done. $6M...isn't squat these days. If they can develop a prototype at that cost it's amazing. kontiki Anybody can throw money at a problem and eventually come kontiki up with something that works. Really?? Rather, anybody can throw money at a problem, and...keep throwing money at it. Like sending a flight loads of ca$h to Iraq [http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...939,00.htmland many other refs]. To actually solve a problem, regardless of money, takes insight and a modicum of intelligence. As an American and engineer I'm seeing less and less of both here, and it ****es me off. But we got about half the country thinking our decline is caused because the other half doesn't pray. Science? Engineering? Rational thought? That's for the weird-sounding foreigns, 4-eyed geeks, and far-left libs. No, we just need to return to God and Jesus and everything will be fine. -- Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx, who must've known something about the bushies. Hi Bob, As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%. Our government is allowing, no incentivizing our corporations to take our jobs overseas to China and India to save on salaries, medical, and taxes. Then, when these same companies want to repatriate their U.S. dollars, they get a special tax break cut for them by congress. Then, because even college grads in engineering don't want to work for peanuts, they claim that there is an "engineering shortage" because they can't fill job requisitions that they post at below starting salary market wages and scream to raise the H1-B visa limits so they can bring in more slave-labor body shopper engineers from India and China. There is something seriously wrong with our country when an MBA managing a Target or Walmart can make twice as much annually as an engineering desiging multi-million dollar revenue generating products. If this keeps up, more and more college age kids are going to avoid this profession and corporations will get the shortage that they are claiming. I know there is no shortage right now because 100's of good engineers are being let go by companies like HP as recently as May 31. "Early retirement" at 48 years old? Yeah, right... Dean |
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As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%.
It's not just engineering. Pure science, which is the bastion of future engineering as well as an attraction to bright minds, is being done offshore because research which violates superstition or offends our superstitous leaders (such as stem cell research) is illegal here. Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Jose wrote:
As another American engineer, I'm in agreement with you 100%. It's not just engineering. Pure science, which is the bastion of future engineering as well as an attraction to bright minds, is being done offshore because research which violates superstition or offends our superstitous leaders (such as stem cell research) is illegal here. Jose Stem cell research is not illegal in the US. Just because the federal government has decided not to fund such research does not make it illegal. So, do you have another example of scientific research that is being moved offshore because it is illegal in the US? |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
So, do you have another example of scientific research that is being moved offshore because it is illegal in the US? Sorry to butt in (but this _is_ Usenet!) but I believe it is illegal in the U.S. to perform any scientific research on Schedule I drugs (as defined by the Controlled Substances Act) unless one can "get a Schedule I research license from the DEA, an investigating new drug (IND) approval from the FDA, a licensed commercial laboratory who will provide you with the drug, and obtain approval of your detailed research protocol from the DEA, the FDA and the Institutional Review Board (IRB) of the academic location where the study will take place. [...] What is one to fear if he wishes to eventually do this kind of work? Aside from the medical risks of exploring new drugs in humans, the only certain risk is the law. Work with a competent physician, and also with a competent lawyer. Or work in a country such as Switzerland where research of this nature is considered a medical matter, not a legal one."[*] [*] http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shul...l_research.htm |
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