Corey Lidle Crash (My opinion on what Happened)

I'm sure this was discussed for a while after it happened...I wanted
to bring this up again...I was just reading an article that I came
across explaining how Corey Lidle's crash into a Manhattan Building
could have happened. Some people say it was mechanical failure, others
say it because he flew into a cloud...So i started thinking about it
and I came up with this explanation:

The east river is a very narrow corridor. Continuing flight north
would put him in LaGuardia Airspace. To Avoid the airspace Lidle
needed to make a 180 degree turn back. Since the East River is so
narrow a turn of 30 or more degrees would probably be needed to avoid
flying over Manhattan. Once you bank an airplane over 30 degrees, you
would no longer see the tops of any building. Your line of sight
would be towards the bottom of the building. He probably didn't even
bother looking to the left to see if there are any obstacles before
starting the turn. He also probably didn't realize that his rate of
turn wasn't quick enough to avoid the building until it was too late.

Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?

Felix

"Felix" wrote:

Some people say it was mechanical failure, others
say it because he flew into a cloud...

Who says that? What mechanical failure? What cloud?



He also probably didn't realize that his rate of
turn wasn't quick enough to avoid the building until it was too late.

Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?

That appears to be what happened, but not because he wasn't looking. Most
likely he ran out of room in the turn because of the crosswind that was
pushing the ground track of the airplane towards the buildings.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

The article said that it might have been mechanical failure, or he
flew into a cloud and got disoriented. It was an old article I
suppose.

I always avoid flying down the East River, it's just too narrow. Even
the Hudson River needs a large bank when making a 180 after the George
Washington Bridge.

On Jul 13, 3:09 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Felix" wrote:
Some people say it was mechanical failure, others
say it because he flew into a cloud...

Who says that? What mechanical failure? What cloud?



He also probably didn't realize that his rate of
turn wasn't quick enough to avoid the building until it was too late.

Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?

That appears to be what happened, but not because he wasn't looking. Most
likely he ran out of room in the turn because of the crosswind that was
pushing the ground track of the airplane towards the buildings.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Felix wrote:
I'm sure this was discussed for a while after it happened...I wanted
to bring this up again...I was just reading an article that I came
across explaining how Corey Lidle's crash into a Manhattan Building
could have happened. Some people say it was mechanical failure, others
say it because he flew into a cloud...So i started thinking about it
and I came up with this explanation:

The east river is a very narrow corridor. Continuing flight north
would put him in LaGuardia Airspace. To Avoid the airspace Lidle
needed to make a 180 degree turn back. Since the East River is so
narrow a turn of 30 or more degrees would probably be needed to avoid
flying over Manhattan. Once you bank an airplane over 30 degrees, you
would no longer see the tops of any building. Your line of sight
would be towards the bottom of the building. He probably didn't even
bother looking to the left to see if there are any obstacles before
starting the turn. He also probably didn't realize that his rate of
turn wasn't quick enough to avoid the building until it was too late.

Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?

Felix

You are probably exactly right. At in the wind that was there and you are
even more right. There has been no evednce that there was a mechanical
failure and I never even hear the cloud theory. If it were true it would
still me pilot error.

"Dan Luke" wrote:

Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?

That appears to be what happened, but not because he wasn't looking. Most
likely he ran out of room in the turn because of the crosswind that was
pushing the ground track of the airplane towards the buildings.


I am not familiar with the buildings but had he flown around the one
he hit he might have been fine.

He could have flown along the west side and turned right (if
appropriate).

He could have talked to ATC and been cleared into a bit of airspace he
tried to avoid.

He could have started the turn from the east side of the river and
banked steeper.

Bottom line: He screwed up.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:

Bottom line: He screwed up.

Therefo sue the manufacturer of the airplane, the FAA,
the family of the instructor that was with him and the owner
of the building that he hit.

"kontiki" wrote in message
...
Ron Lee wrote:

Bottom line: He screwed up.
Therefo sue the manufacturer of the airplane, the FAA,
the family of the instructor that was with him and the owner
of the building that he hit.

Everybody take a dollar out of their wallet and pass it to the left. Take
the dollar from the person to the right and put it in your wallet.

Corey Lidle and the instructor are still dead, and a bunch of money got
shuffled around. The only difference is, a bunch of lawyers didn't take it
all.

-c

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"Felix" wrote in message
oups.com...
... Once you bank an airplane over 30 degrees, you
would no longer see the tops of any building. Your line of sight
would be towards the bottom of the building.
...

HUH???

Since when?

Perhaps in a simulator where you only have a little screen to look at...

--
Geoff
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("Felix" wrote)
Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?


My take on this crash is:

If they could have a do-over ...at the moment they decided to turn around,
they would choose (this time) to bust the airspace, and write up a NASA form
later.

I think they got a little behind the situation, decided NOT to bust ANY of
the airspace around them, and things went south from there.


Paul-Mont

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Felix" wrote)
Is this a possible explanation or am I completely wrong here?


My take on this crash is:

If they could have a do-over ...at the moment they decided to turn around,
they would choose (this time) to bust the airspace, and write up a NASA
form
later.

I think they got a little behind the situation, decided NOT to bust ANY of
the airspace around them, and things went south from there.


Paul-Mont



That pretty much sums up all that we really know.

The report(s) can be found at http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp by typing
in the registration number N929CD and selecting any or each of the three
reports. However, none depict any reconstrucion of the exact flight
path--so all that can really be said is that your solution, advanced by many
of us at the time, would have worked.

Peter