Bounced Landing

Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.

Dan wrote in news:1191128994.829376.102350
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:



The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.



I'm not so sure. I would say it was faked also, but I've seen a computer
replay of a 757 that porpoised on landing after a very similar touchdown
(and I know this was for real because the copilot on the airplane showed it
to me) and it looked just like that. The airplane was very seriously
damaged, BTW


Bertie

On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:1191128994.829376.102350
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:


The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.



I'm not so sure. I would say it was faked also, but I've seen a computer
replay of a 757 that porpoised on landing after a very similar touchdown
(and I know this was for real because the copilot on the airplane showed it
to me) and it looked just like that. The airplane was very seriously
damaged, BTW

I'm unsure also. I've seen some fakes and they typically are choppy and
jerky. This one looks almost like it could be real.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:1191128994.829376.102350
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:


The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.



I'm not so sure. I would say it was faked also, but I've seen a
computer replay of a 757 that porpoised on landing after a very
similar touchdown (and I know this was for real because the copilot
on the airplane showed it to me) and it looked just like that. The
airplane was very seriously damaged, BTW

I'm unsure also. I've seen some fakes and they typically are choppy
and jerky. This one looks almost like it could be real.


There's detail in it that looks pretty convincing as well. Smoke from the
tires, for instance. Also when it's bouncing the perspective of the
airplane looks quite convincing, as opposed to some you might see where the
spoofer simply animates a still of the airplane.
It's getting so you can't tel what's real anymore!

I know someone who is convinced that the Cessna 620 is an internet hoax. Me
telling him I can remember it has only convinced him I'm delusional.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:1191128994.829376.102350
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:


The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.



I'm not so sure. I would say it was faked also, but I've seen a
computer replay of a 757 that porpoised on landing after a very
similar touchdown (and I know this was for real because the copilot
on the airplane showed it to me) and it looked just like that. The
airplane was very seriously damaged, BTW

I'm unsure also. I've seen some fakes and they typically are choppy
and jerky. This one looks almost like it could be real.


There's detail in it that looks pretty convincing as well. Smoke from the
tires, for instance. Also when it's bouncing the perspective of the
airplane looks quite convincing, as opposed to some you might see where
the
spoofer simply animates a still of the airplane.
It's getting so you can't tel what's real anymore!

I know someone who is convinced that the Cessna 620 is an internet hoax.
Me
telling him I can remember it has only convinced him I'm delusional.

Bertie



The screech from the 1st contact of the main gear seems to arrive at the
camera
too soon for the distance from the observer.......although could be because
of a
"mis-alignment" of the audio and video "tracks". Also, don't the violent
movements
appear to be occurring "faster" than would be expected for an object of this
size.
And the oscillations don't appear natural, but I suppose the crew would be
trying
to slow the plane down by any means possible while being subjected to up and
down motions up to 10 - 15 ft.

.....just observations from someone who really doesn't know what could (or
should)
be going on inside the cockpit at that time. It'd be interesting to hear a
translation
of "commentary" from the flight crew during this.:-) Back during my boat
racing days
there was a short standard phrase we used when the boat blew over (flipped).
It
was only 2 words but it was really all we had time for anyway. The Chinese
version
may be more colorful.

BS, TP

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman
wrote:

On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

"muff528" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
Matt Whiting wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:1191128994.829376.102350
@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:


The aircraft bounces faster than something of that size and weight
would... It's clearly fake.



I'm not so sure. I would say it was faked also, but I've seen a
computer replay of a 757 that porpoised on landing after a very
similar touchdown (and I know this was for real because the copilot
on the airplane showed it to me) and it looked just like that. The
airplane was very seriously damaged, BTW

I'm unsure also. I've seen some fakes and they typically are choppy
and jerky. This one looks almost like it could be real.


There's detail in it that looks pretty convincing as well. Smoke from
the tires, for instance. Also when it's bouncing the perspective of
the airplane looks quite convincing, as opposed to some you might see
where the
spoofer simply animates a still of the airplane.
It's getting so you can't tel what's real anymore!

I know someone who is convinced that the Cessna 620 is an internet
hoax. Me
telling him I can remember it has only convinced him I'm delusional.

Bertie



The screech from the 1st contact of the main gear seems to arrive at
the camera
too soon for the distance from the observer.......although could be
because of a
"mis-alignment" of the audio and video "tracks". Also, don't the
violent movements
appear to be occurring "faster" than would be expected for an object
of this size.
And the oscillations don't appear natural, but I suppose the crew
would be trying
to slow the plane down by any means possible while being subjected to
up and down motions up to 10 - 15 ft.

Yeah, I thought the same thing exactly ( Though the sound thing got by
me) but as I said, I've seen a computer reconstruction of pretty mush
the smae sort of accident in a slightly larger airplane (757) and the
picture was pretty much the same.
The FO in that airplane showed me the computer reconstruction which had
been made from the FDR. It was an extremely violent incident, he said.
The airplane was quite badly damaged.


Bertie

On Sep 30, 9:53 am, (Scott) wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:18:49 -0700, in rec.aviation.piloting, buttman

wrote:
On Sep 29, 10:04 pm, Phil wrote:
Is this for real, or has this video been manipulated??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkUt9CzRpg

I've seen that before. Its from a commercial. You can hear the
announcer at the end start to say something. I'm pretty sure it's been
doctored at least somewhat.

I remember seeing somewhere that it was a (large) RC model airplane. IMO
that would seem to account for the apparent physics of the bounces.

-Scott

That seems like the best explanation. I noticed it says T & W Air on
the fuselage. I can't find any trace of that as a Chinese airline on
the web. But if it's an RC plane, the video must have been doctored
to add the smoke from the tires. I don't think you would get that
much smoke from an RC size plane.