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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_iJ...eature=related 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
		 
		
	
	
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN1lC...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9txDhi5wC2A Have my own notions, but would be interested from a pros viewpoint. I'm assuming that mechanical was not a factor in any of these, BTW.Might have been, but it appears that in each case the pilot went in with no commital gates and no escape route. Bertie  | 
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