70 Punished in Accidental B-52 Flight (armed, yet!)

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I suppose it would have been allright if they had flown over any other
country. Americans are, after all, more important than other people.

Regards,
Herman

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Herman wrote:
I suppose it would have been allright if they had flown over any other
country. Americans are, after all, more important than other people.

Regards,
Herman

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I was an Army SIOP custodian for 2 years.

Rules for flying over anyone's country with special weapons on board are
complex and strict. As for these careless assholes, I would have
preferred to see a Danny Deever Drum Out starting with the Secretary of
the Air Force.

This incident really has not gotten as much publicity and public outrage
as it should have. But, considering the Army kept the fact of a loose
SADAM secret for some 25 years, I am not surprised to read some of the
bull**** which was spread by the "official press releases".

I say cut their nuts off and post them on the bulletin board. ****ups
like this absolutely must never be allowed to happen again.

Dave

CWO4 Dave Mann wrote:
Herman wrote:
I suppose it would have been allright if they had flown over any other
country. Americans are, after all, more important than other people.

Regards,
Herman

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I was an Army SIOP custodian for 2 years.

Rules for flying over anyone's country with special weapons on board are
complex and strict. As for these careless assholes, I would have
preferred to see a Danny Deever Drum Out starting with the Secretary of
the Air Force.

This incident really has not gotten as much publicity and public outrage
as it should have. But, considering the Army kept the fact of a loose
SADAM secret for some 25 years, I am not surprised to read some of the
bull**** which was spread by the "official press releases".

I say cut their nuts off and post them on the bulletin board. ****ups
like this absolutely must never be allowed to happen again.

I spent my 11 years in the USAF as a weapons loader and technician. I agree
whole heartedly. Given that the article says that 70 people were punished, I
suspect that some who should have been punished, got off scot free. The very
first people disciplined should have been the Wing Commander, The Director of
Operations, the Deputy Commander for Maintenance, the Flying squadron commander,
the Munitions squadron commander, and the entire flight crew. Add to that the
Munitions squadron(MMS) Maintenance Supervisor, the MMS Maintenance
Superintendent, The loading shop chief, the loading flight line expediter, the
entire load crew, the munitions handling crew, the the munitions handling
supervisor, the Munitions Storage branch chief, and the munitions controller on
duty.

I'm certain that there are more, but special weapons are not something to be
played with. Their security is serious, and it seems as if the people at Minot
had forgotten this.

David
former Tsgt. USAF

Former AFSC 46270

I spent my 11 years in the USAF as a weapons loader and technician.

Well I'm just an armchair pilot like many in this group so what do I know
about nuclear bombs and what they look like.

BUT.... CURIOUS QUESTION.

Wouldn't it be a smart move to paint these little buggers in a special
vibrant day glo colour that someone looking at them from a hundred yards
would be able to recognize them for what they are.

I mean how could so many people handle such a thing and not realize that
they were nukes.

ARN'T THEY LABELED..?????????????

Now if they were day glo yellow with nuclear bomb imprinted down the
length in a font size that could not be missed......

Does that sound too logical.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote:
I spent my 11 years in the USAF as a weapons loader and technician.

Well I'm just an armchair pilot like many in this group so what do I know
about nuclear bombs and what they look like.

BUT.... CURIOUS QUESTION.

Wouldn't it be a smart move to paint these little buggers in a special
vibrant day glo colour that someone looking at them from a hundred yards
would be able to recognize them for what they are.

I mean how could so many people handle such a thing and not realize that
they were nukes.

ARN'T THEY LABELED..?????????????

Yes, and missiles without warheads have a visible indicator that they are inert,
or at least they did in my day.

David Hartung wrote:
SHIVER ME TIMBERS wrote:
I spent my 11 years in the USAF as a weapons loader and technician.

Well I'm just an armchair pilot like many in this group so what do I know
about nuclear bombs and what they look like.

BUT.... CURIOUS QUESTION.

Wouldn't it be a smart move to paint these little buggers in a special
vibrant day glo colour that someone looking at them from a hundred
yards would be able to recognize them for what they are.

I mean how could so many people handle such a thing and not realize
that they were nukes.

ARN'T THEY LABELED..?????????????

Yes, and missiles without warheads have a visible indicator that they
are inert, or at least they did in my day.


Still true today, including the difference in the colors gold and black
at the destruct points. Also there are technology-ripe methods,
barscanners, Palm Pilots specially modified and all kinds of other
stuff. Still and all, nothing, absolutely nothing beats the old
fashioned "Two Man Rule" inventory and walk around. That is what these
morons failed to do properly.

"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
...
I spent my 11 years in the USAF as a weapons loader and technician.

Well I'm just an armchair pilot like many in this group so what do I know
about nuclear bombs and what they look like.

BUT.... CURIOUS QUESTION.

Wouldn't it be a smart move to paint these little buggers in a special
vibrant day glo colour that someone looking at them from a hundred yards
would be able to recognize them for what they are.

I mean how could so many people handle such a thing and not realize that
they were nukes.

ARN'T THEY LABELED..?????????????

Now if they were day glo yellow with nuclear bomb imprinted down the
length in a font size that could not be missed......

Does that sound too logical.

Training weapons are blue, real weapons are not. There is a small window
that the crew is required to look through to confirm what kind of weapon the
are carrying. No one did this. Well, at least until the error was
discovered. You don't want the ability to confirm a weapons status from a
distance, that would constitute confirming the presence of a real weapon
publicly, which we do not do. I've seen people court marshaled for a minor
violation of the two man rule. Heads should roll, and that should start at
the top. No one was watching, and no one was watching the watchers. As
someone said earlier, the only guy that should get a "get out of jail free"
card is the airman that caught it.

Al G ex Aw3, ex loader.

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Not armed. Loaded, as in "Put aboard an aircraft". The aircraft carrying
these missiles, wasn't even equipped to arm and launch the weapons. Quite a
difference.

Al G

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Not armed. Loaded, as in "Put aboard an aircraft". The aircraft carrying
these missiles, wasn't even equipped to arm and launch the weapons. Quite a
difference.

Al G



If they had been armed I really would have worried!

When a Special Weapon is at rest in it's individual packing case,
shipping case, or storage container, it is impossible to make the weapon
go into nuclear detonation. The essential elements are not there but
are someplace else.

When the weapon is prepared for use, certain elements are inserted into
the weapon and the device is then capable of being armed.

When the weapon is ready for deployment, certain steps are carried out
by authorized people in concert with each other to make the weapon into
a nuclear weapon ready to be detonated.

After the weapon is dispatched onto it's way to the target the weapon
may be detonated by an automatic procedure or by a manual remote control
procedure, or it may be "stunned" and the ability for it to produce an
atomic explosion canceled. The weapon may still end up on the target as
in a gravity bomb, but the detonating conventional explosive only will
explode.

It is highly unlikely that the device would be stunned after deployment
unless it were "en route" to the target with enough time -- say a few
tens of seconds -- to stun the device. That would not be a preferable
action, however, since fissile materials would be scattered by the
conventional explosion.

Anyway, hopefully this entire SNAFU will cause a very detailed re-look
at SIOP and Special Weapons procedures. Along with a whole bunch of
nuts pinned to the post bulletin board.

Cheers,

Dave