Enola Gay: Burnt flesh and other magnificent technologicalachievements

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Date: 12/22/2003 5:38 PM Central Standard Time
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"RufusTFirefly" wrote in message
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Cub Driver wrote in message
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Was it better to bomb Hiroshima than to sacrifice several hundred
thousand American servicemen and perhaps a million or two Japanese
soldiers and civilians in the invasions to come?

The operative words being "servicemen" and "soldiers", of course.

sarcasm on

Maybe I missed it, but were there comments about Coventry, The Blitz,
Stalingrad, Auschwitz, The Rape of Nanking, Manchuria, and all of the other
atrocities in the original post, or is the original post completely myopic?

Were Japanses civilians responsible for any of those atrocities?


Quite a few were.

An interesting side note was a Nazi representative to Nanking saved the lives
of many Chinese.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Steve Hix wrote:
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Cub Driver
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You are stubbornly refusing or psychologically
unable to see that the
U.S. was the aggrieved party in 1941-1945
(as indeed it is the
aggrieved party in 2001-200?).

Japan declared war on the U.S. in December
1941. We went ahead and won
that war.

Al Qaeda declared war on the U.S. in September
2001. We are in the
process of winning that war.

So in other words, to paraphrase my little
brother when we were kids,
"He started it"? Besides, your assertion that
al-Qaeda "declared war"
on 9/11 is a rhetorical cheat.

Not when Al qaeda publicly announced to the
world that they had declared
was on the U.S.
OBL has said in his interviews that his organization had done so. Since
they aren't a country, when they are caught, they should be treated in a
manner similar to when Cicero told the Roman Senate that "Pirates were the
enemies of the human race", but updated for modern times. Whenever an AQ
member is caught, give him a choice: rat on everyone and everything he knows
and he gets life in prison with no chance of parole. If he doesn't cooperate,
military tribunal followed by hanging or firing squad. And make sure the
AQ web sites get hacked to point out the fate awaiting those who aren't killed
in their pointless cause on the battlefield...the lucky ones leave Gitmo
in a pine box. The unlucky ones get sent to a supermax for the next fifty
or sixty years, but they do leave...in a pine box.

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Steve Hix wrote:
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Cub Driver wrote:

On Okinawa, the Japanese military forcibly
inducted 39,000 civilian
men into a "home guard" that suffered fearsome
losses. Some 1500
schoolboys joined an Iron and Blood suicide
unit,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The IJ Navy modeled itself on the British Navy;
did the Army model
itself on the Prussian army?
They did. IIRC there were advisors from Prussia and later Germany in Japan
in the 1860s-70s to whip the Imperial Army into shape.

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Cub Driver wrote:

The IJ Navy modeled itself on the British Navy;
did the Army model
itself on the Prussian army?

I've never heard that, but it's possible. The
Russo-Japanese War was a
major conflict, and the Nomonhan border conflicts
were a pretty big
deal. One is apt to learn from one's enemies.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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IJN was modeled on the Royal Navy: the Brits helped establish the Japanese
Naval Academy at Etajima in 1873, they built the place with bricks imported
from England, and a lock of Nelson's hair was put on display. Until the Kongo-class
BC/BBs, all major Japanese warships were built in British yards, and RN officers
supposedly served exchange tours. Togo even delayed returning the Fleet home
after Tsushima so that he could arrive home on Tralfagar Day, or so a former
Professor of mine said. Even on some ships, shipboard commands were given
in English from officer to officer. Kongo was built in Britain, but the three
others were built in Japan to the British design.

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Maybe they were confusing with Oklahoma?!?

Rick wrote:

RogerM quoted someone:

Where is the footage of dead U.S. children who were in the day care
centers
of the World Trade Center?


Since I was out of town and don't have the post in which that question
originated I can only hope that someone corrected the original poster
that, except for several children on the airliners, there were no
children reported killed in the WTC attacks. That probably accounts
for the lack of "footage."

Rick