More flaps?

I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
:

I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?


doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22:

Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...12-Overloaded-
1
72.wmv

This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of
a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were
transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a
hospital in Cali.

The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the
beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the
seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the
pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and
probably will never know."

The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the
hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school.


Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel.



Bertie

Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...loaded-172.wmv

This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of a
Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a
director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were transporting
a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a hospital in Cali.

The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the beginning of
the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the seat, next to the
pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the pedals for nothing.' We
do not yet know the cause of the accident and probably will never know."

The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the hospital.
The burning building at the end is an empty school.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
:

I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.


My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in
:

On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in
news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
:

I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve
and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out
more flaps?

doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it
if he used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after
getting airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance
without more data.



My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Bertie

On Apr 25, 5:16*pm, WingFlaps wrote:
I watched the terrible carshhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

Cheers

It is not like he didn't have alot of runway left to continue picking
up speed. He clearly yanked it in the air way before the plane was
ready to fly. This should be a required video for all student pilots
to watch to drive home the point of ground effects and the lack there
of. Morbid,?? maybe, but when most of us were kids we were shown films
in drivers ed that were very graphic, if I remember correctly
Mechanized Death, Signal 7, etc. Seems they were always filmed in
Ohio. I never wanted to drive there. :((.

I am sure those gruesome images were imbedded in back of my mind and
kept me from doing something stupid in my early years of driving.
Nowadays kids are denied that concept because the shrinks are afraid
their brains would be damaged for life. Of course that doesn't stop
the kids from playing mortal combat and god only knows what other
bloody video game... Go figure !!!!

WingFlaps wrote:
I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

Cheers

Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the
back side. There is an area (as in slow flight) as you go into reverse
command where to maintain altitude on the back side you need to apply
power. You can do this until you max the available power. At that point
available power gives way to developing sink rate. Go past that point
and into a sink rate and the only way out is to reduce angle of attack.
This is what many in the flight test community refer to as a "coffin
corner", not of course to be confused with the classic aerodynamic
coffin corner experienced at altitude associated with mach crit vs stall
speed.

--
Dudley Henriques

Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into the back
side.

clint wrote:
Senoirs backsides are used for pooping watch out! 8-o lol ;o)
Dudley Henriques laid this down on his screen :
Don't think so. Back side behavior depends on how deep you are into
the back side.


They give seniors Viagra in the nursing homes. It keeps them from
rolling out of bed at night.

--
Dudley Henriques