Is This Why

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:57:14 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).

Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.
--
Bear Bottoms
website: http://bearware.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:03:35 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:57:14 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:31:01 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:16:20 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:14:33 -0500, Mxsmanic wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:58:45 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:14:34 +0000, Saxman wrote:

Bear Bottoms wrote:
This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).

Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.

I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.
--
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:06:32 -0500, Ari wrote:


This happened to me.

I was hauling a bunch of stuff, one kilo per package. I was within
weight-and-balance. But one by one they slid to the very back. They were
left on the conveyor belt rollers by mistake.

More kilos slid, the center of gravity moves aft, So I dialed in more
nose-down trim. Soon..no decalage. I got careful.

She wouldn't maintain airspeed. I thought I was going to rip the plane
apart. But I did not. I thought she would stall. Then the nose pitched
up. I pushed on the steering, more stall!!

We opened the side do0r (I know FAA regs ouch) and threw the "stuff"
out. All was ok.

Why did the nose pith *up*? Why did adding flippers not work right?

Was you using Microsoft Flight Simulator ATT?

Why would that make a differrence? The goof is out of AoA stability with
a stalled tail (at the least).

In a Piper?

Who said it was a Piper?

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).

Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.

I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.

I was in control. You don't need to be a physical major to know I was in
control. I was asking a simple question. That is all. Then you
denigrate, it hurts your character.

Did you fly 7500 kilos in and out of Central America? No, that makes you
suspect as an expert. We were active at Mena, but not that active. There
is no question we were the biggest thing going on at Mena at the time.

From about late 1982 till 1986 we owned Mena airport. It appeared to us
that we had a lock on Mena at the time. I will not step outside of our
operations as an expert on anything. I agree that would be ludicrous. On
the other hand, we were very observant and so were our contacts. My
assurance comes from this thinking. It is not omnipotent. It is
omnipotent as to what we did.
--
Bear Bottoms
website: http://bearware.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:13:04 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).

Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.

I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.

I was in control. You don't need to be a physical major to know I was in
control. I was asking a simple question. That is all. Then you
denigrate, it hurts your character.

Did you fly 7500 kilos in and out of Central America? No, that makes you
suspect as an expert. We were active at Mena, but not that active. There
is no question we were the biggest thing going on at Mena at the time.

From about late 1982 till 1986 we owned Mena airport. It appeared to us
that we had a lock on Mena at the time. I will not step outside of our
operations as an expert on anything. I agree that would be ludicrous. On
the other hand, we were very observant and so were our contacts. My
assurance comes from this thinking. It is not omnipotent. It is
omnipotent as to what we did.

*PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE, BILLY BOY*

Ok, so you and your buddy Barry Seal were hot****s in a little,
no-nothing town in AR, so what? you still almost killed you and all
because you haven't a clue about how flight, weight, vertical damping
and a host of other things actually work.
--
Meet Ari!
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:15:32 -0500, Ari wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:13:04 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/7100.jpg

Let me get this straight. IdiotBottoms loads his plane (Seneca here)
with "kilo packages" as per the picture. Then he leaves the **** on the
rollers and it slides to aft cabin. And he lived. lol

There is a Devil.

Back to Bottoms question. Like the moron he is, he created an aft
balance bias, *pushes* instead of pulls the steering, now he wants to
know about the simple basics of AoA front-back variance.

HOHOHOHO! I can see the moron now, he's futzing with nose trim, the
plane dives, he putsches with the elevators, dive, he's sweating
king-sized bullets. His crew is tosing kilos out the plane as fast as
they can, hanging on for dear life as Bear Fool phugoids like a roller
coaster.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Then, like magic because The Devil wanted him to live to be punished for
the rest of his life, most of the "kilos" har har off and gone,
everything settles into a norm.

Of course, if he had *pulled* instead of pushed, he wouldn't have had
any, real problems, weel, not like the ones he created for himself
anyway.

IdiotBear, long may he live (but don't expect so).

Mistakes happen. Nothing like that happened. You're a denigrator, a
troll. Why not support the group instead of denigrating?

We actually brought in about 25 loads of 300 kilos each. 7,500 kilos
total approximately. I knew what I was doing. Strange things happen.
This was strange. your deinigration does not explain anything.

I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.

I was in control. You don't need to be a physical major to know I was in
control. I was asking a simple question. That is all. Then you
denigrate, it hurts your character.

Did you fly 7500 kilos in and out of Central America? No, that makes you
suspect as an expert. We were active at Mena, but not that active. There
is no question we were the biggest thing going on at Mena at the time.

From about late 1982 till 1986 we owned Mena airport. It appeared to us
that we had a lock on Mena at the time. I will not step outside of our
operations as an expert on anything. I agree that would be ludicrous. On
the other hand, we were very observant and so were our contacts. My
assurance comes from this thinking. It is not omnipotent. It is
omnipotent as to what we did.

*PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE, BILLY BOY*

Ok, so you and your buddy Barry Seal were hot****s in a little,
no-nothing town in AR, so what? you still almost killed you and all
because you haven't a clue about how flight, weight, vertical damping
and a host of other things actually work.

I was a pilot for an oil company in Saudi. I went back to Saudi and
resigned by letter for personal family reasons. This is fact. I learned
more flying than you by being there.

I was involved with every one of the operations in Mena. You were not.
I was the one who brought the drugs there. In two years we made the
great majority of the cocaine flight basically. Barry Seal sold some
fake Quaaludes to an undercover officer in Florida. We dumped the load
of kilos and Quaaludes in the Amite river. You weren't there. We had
light Quaaludes. We took those to Florida. We needed money. That's all,
just money.

He had a friend in Florida who had gotten in trouble, unbeknownst to
Seal, who said he knew somebody who would buy them. Zap. Caught red
handed. This was the only time. Then there was the exception for the
1972 explosives thing. No one else got close. Except the event in Baton
Rouge near our communications shack in the swamps where the state
police were surveilling Seal quite boisterously, but Seal was involved
in ongoing stings for the feds at the time and nothing came of it.
Certainly the state people were frustrated. Too bad.
--
Bear Bottoms
website: http://bearware.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:46 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

I don't expect you to understand a ****ing thing about flight, Bottoms,
look who taught you.

You're lucky you didn't gain airspeed and disintegrate, you lousy
*******.

I was in control. You don't need to be a physical major to know I was in
control. I was asking a simple question. That is all. Then you
denigrate, it hurts your character.

Did you fly 7500 kilos in and out of Central America? No, that makes you
suspect as an expert. We were active at Mena, but not that active. There
is no question we were the biggest thing going on at Mena at the time.

From about late 1982 till 1986 we owned Mena airport. It appeared to us
that we had a lock on Mena at the time. I will not step outside of our
operations as an expert on anything. I agree that would be ludicrous. On
the other hand, we were very observant and so were our contacts. My
assurance comes from this thinking. It is not omnipotent. It is
omnipotent as to what we did.

*PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE, BILLY BOY*

Ok, so you and your buddy Barry Seal were hot****s in a little,
no-nothing town in AR, so what? you still almost killed you and all
because you haven't a clue about how flight, weight, vertical damping
and a host of other things actually work.

I was a pilot for an oil company in Saudi. I went back to Saudi and
resigned by letter for personal family reasons. This is fact. I learned
more flying than you by being there.

I was involved with every one of the operations in Mena. You were not.
I was the one who brought the drugs there. In two years we made the
great majority of the cocaine flight basically. Barry Seal sold some
fake Quaaludes to an undercover officer in Florida. We dumped the load
of kilos and Quaaludes in the Amite river. You weren't there. We had
light Quaaludes. We took those to Florida. We needed money. That's all,
just money.

He had a friend in Florida who had gotten in trouble, unbeknownst to
Seal, who said he knew somebody who would buy them. Zap. Caught red
handed. This was the only time. Then there was the exception for the
1972 explosives thing. No one else got close. Except the event in Baton
Rouge near our communications shack in the swamps where the state
police were surveilling Seal quite boisterously, but Seal was involved
in ongoing stings for the feds at the time and nothing came of it.
Certainly the state people were frustrated. Too bad.

You bounce around like a thrown superball in a tight closet, IdiotBear.
Where do you get all this rubbish from anyway?

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