America's Army Sucks, Fact

America's army sucks.

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western. Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

(cain_uk) wrote in
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For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.


See, and you Amricans think YOU have to put up with some morons! Where is
Britian anyway? Is it anywhere near Britain?

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

America's army sucks.

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western. Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

As a former Marine, I don't make a lot of excuses for the US Army.

The Brits don't have any really great shakes going for them either.

The most famous Brit general of the 20th century -- Montgomery-- was borderline
incompetent. None of his plans ever worked even remotely as advertised. Crap,
he planned the raid of Dieppe. Look how that turned out.

I watched with great interest the British attack on the Falklands. It's not
generally known, but only @ 40% of the bombs that hit Brit warships actually
detonated. They were US munitions left over from WWII. Reduce that dud rate to
zero and the whole Brit expeditionary force becomes POWs.

Brit military prowess? They have great NCO's. That's what I hear.

Walt

"...Their (sic) a bunch of cowboys...."

At least they know English language spelling rules better than do certain
Brits!!!

WDA

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"cain_uk" wrote in message
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America's army sucks.

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western. Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

In message , cain_uk
writes
America's army sucks.

Are these the US Americans, the Canadian Americans, the Mexican
Americans, the Venezuelan Americans, the Costa Rican Americans... (the
Americas are two large continents, if you hadn't noticed)

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western.

No, it's frequently called "efficient economy of force" these days.

Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

I can't find an "Alantic" (is it a river? an ocean? a road?) or a
"Britian" in my world atlas, thanks.

And while I'll differ in detail about some aspects of US TTPs, the big
picture is a capable and deadly force: and if you want to criticise
their operational skills, learning to read, write and spell would be a
good start.


1.5/10 on the trollometer: Must Try Harder, See Me After Class.

--
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

As a general rule I don't respond to threads started by trolls, but some of what
you wrote below in response is both on topic and factually incorrect, so I'll
correct it.

WalterM140 wrote:

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I watched with great interest the British attack on the Falklands. It's not
generally known, but only @ 40% of the bombs that hit Brit warships actually
detonated.

I guess that depends on how you define 'generally known.' It's certainly well
known among many of the readers of this NG, and even more generally known among the
readers of s.m.n.

They were US munitions left over from WWII.

No, they weren't. The Fuerza Aerea Argentina used British Mk. 13/18 series 1,000
lb. bombs, US. Mk. 82 500 lb. bombs (the CANA A-4s used the Snakeye retarded
version; the FAA used the slick version), and French Para-retard bombs, either 250
or 400kg (sources differ. Photos I've seen of one of the French duds at Ajax Bay
looks to me more like a 250 than 400 kg job.) All of these bombs are post-WW2
vintage, with the possible exception of some of the British bombs used by the
Canberras. The Mk. 82s would definitely date from post-1965, which is when
Argentina received the first A-4s. The Mk. 82 wasn't even around in WW2, not
entering service until the mid-50s or so. I suspect the same is true for the
French para-retard weapons, if they didn't date from even later.

Reduce that dud rate to
zero and the whole Brit expeditionary force becomes POWs.

You could equally say reduce the dud rate to zero and the odds are good the FAA
doesn't have any a/c left, because most of them have been shot down. The reason so
few bombs detonated is because the FAA pilots had the normal instinct for
self-preservation, and usually flew as low and fast as they could to make the job
of the defenses much harder. But this meant that bombs were often dropped from
altitudes too low to allow sufficient time for fuse operation, so many of the bombs
dudded, or the fuse delays were so long (to allow time for the wingmen to clear the
target before the bombs exploded) that bombs which weren't stopped by structure
inside the ship passed on through and out the other side before exploding. The
whole reason for the defenses was to make the pilots more worried about survival
than destroying their targets, thus increasing the incident of duds. CTG 317.0
(the amphibious shipping), Commodore Clapp, was very glad that the Argentine pilots
were chosing to make level bomb runs instead of pop-up dive attacks, for just that
reason.

On the few occasions where the defensive fire was minimal, the pilots were
willing/able to climb high enough before dropping (ca. 300 feet AGL for a slick Mk.
82) that the fuses had time to operate, and the 'dud' rate dropped off accordingly.

Guy

"cain_uk" wrote in message
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America's army sucks.

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western.

So when exactly do you think they used B-52's in the
old west ?

Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

Thanks for proving we produce morons too.

Keith

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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America's army sucks.

They have no idea how to fight a war. I mean dropping bombs from a
B-52 at 30,000 feet isn't war, its called a western. Their a bunch of
cowboys. And now we here about the disgusting behavior of American's
torturing Iraqi prisoners.

For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.

As a former Marine, I don't make a lot of excuses for the US Army.

The Brits don't have any really great shakes going for them either.

The most famous Brit general of the 20th century -- Montgomery-- was
borderline
incompetent. None of his plans ever worked even remotely as advertised.
Crap,
he planned the raid of Dieppe.

In fact he was part of the ORIGINAL planning group but that raid
was abandoned and when the project was revived , Montogomery
urged that it be cancelled as standing no hope of success as all
hope of surprise, which was essential to the operation had been lost.

Indeed Lieut.-General H. G. D. Crerar, G.O.C. 1st Canadian Corps,
took the place of Montgomery who thereafter took no part in the operation
and was in fact in North Africa when the raid took place.

But hey the facts never got in the way of your rants
before so why stop now.

Keith

"Drewe Manton" wrote in message
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(cain_uk) wrote in
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For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.


See, and you Amricans think YOU have to put up with some morons! Where is
Britian anyway? Is it anywhere near Britain?

Don't know, but reportedly on other side of "Alantic". grin

Lynn

Drewe Manton wrote:

(cain_uk) wrote in
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For real soldiers, look other the other side of the Alantic, Britian.



See, and you Amricans think YOU have to put up with some morons! Where is
Britian anyway? Is it anywhere near Britain?

Well know fact that Trolls can't spell.

-- Darrell