SeeYou team code

Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track of
where each other was, thought about using the team location feature in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian




6.17 Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next
Navboxes . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation. It is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't have a
clue unless they have the
key

For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

Yep! It's for sure fault the fault of the stubborn Yanks. Nothing
whatsoever to do with Air Regulations or the fact that Flarm
prohibited their unit from being sold in the USA. Just a simple case
of a bunch of hard heads...

-John

On Sep 3, 12:59 pm, JS wrote:
For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

JS wrote:
For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

The SeeYou Team code does something FLARM can not do: show you were your
friends are, using your map display, as far as your radio can reach.
Flarm is limited to 2 - 3km.

For another way to show your friends on a map, look at the Garmin Rino
series of two way radio with GPS ($250-$500): push a button, and your
position is indicated on their GPS. It also works over a far greater
distance than FLARM, and allows private communication off the busy 123.3
and .5 frequencies. Distance to 10 miles or more.

And finally, take a look at the Garmin Astro Dog tracker. I don't know
if anyone has used these in a glider, but it looks like it might work,
and it does it's job automatically - no pilot workload. $600 for the
display and one collar, works with up to 10 collars. Buy a unit and give
the collar to your friend, so you know where he is; he does the same for
you. It also works over 7+ mile range on the ground on a dog, certainly
farther in the air, again a greater distance than FLARM.

No, the collar doesn't have a shock device built into it, but that might
be a useful feature for clubs that have problems getting members to
bring the glider back when their time is up!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

On Sep 3, 4:44*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
JS wrote:
For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

The SeeYou Team code does something FLARM can not do: show you were your
friends are, using your map display, as far as your radio can reach.
Flarm is limited to 2 - 3km.

For another way to show your friends on a map, look at the Garmin Rino
series of two way radio with GPS ($250-$500): push a button, and your
position is indicated on their GPS. It also works over a far greater
distance than FLARM, and allows private communication off the busy 123.3
and .5 frequencies. Distance to 10 miles or more.

And finally, take a look at the Garmin Astro Dog tracker. I don't know
if anyone has used these in a glider, but it looks like it might work,
and it does it's job automatically - no pilot workload. $600 for the
display and one collar, works with up to 10 collars. Buy a unit and give
the collar to your friend, so you know where he is; he does the same for
you. It also works over 7+ mile range on the ground on a dog, certainly
farther in the air, again a greater distance than FLARM.

No, the collar doesn't have a shock device built into it, but that might
be a useful feature for clubs that have problems getting members to
bring the glider back when their time is up!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

Eric ! Are you insinuating that your plane is - a dog ??

On Sep 3, 1:44*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
JS wrote:
For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

The SeeYou Team code does something FLARM can not do: show you were your
friends are, using your map display, as far as your radio can reach.
Flarm is limited to 2 - 3km.

For another way to show your friends on a map, look at the Garmin Rino
series of two way radio with GPS ($250-$500): push a button, and your
position is indicated on their GPS. It also works over a far greater
distance than FLARM, and allows private communication off the busy 123.3
and .5 frequencies. Distance to 10 miles or more.

And finally, take a look at the Garmin Astro Dog tracker. I don't know
if anyone has used these in a glider, but it looks like it might work,
and it does it's job automatically - no pilot workload. $600 for the
display and one collar, works with up to 10 collars. Buy a unit and give
the collar to your friend, so you know where he is; he does the same for
you. It also works over 7+ mile range on the ground on a dog, certainly
farther in the air, again a greater distance than FLARM.

No, the collar doesn't have a shock device built into it, but that might
be a useful feature for clubs that have problems getting members to
bring the glider back when their time is up!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

I wouldn't mind the option of installing shock collars on my
competition and then giving then a friendly little jolt now and
again...............as the owner of a Dog Boarding business we are
quite adept at using these ingenious devices!

now, back on topic.................would SYM and XC Soar share
compatible Team Code functionality?

If not.............since XC Soar is free and quite powerful, maybe a
migration to XS-Soar for safety reasons might happen..............or
better yet, perhaps the developers of the 2 programs could allow the 2
to talk to each other, and to the other flight software programs for
that matter.

Brad

On Sep 3, 3:44*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Sep 3, 4:44*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:



JS wrote:
For those in the USA who believe that FLARM is a pile of rubbish and
having expensive, not yet available and and power-hungry technology is
the way to go:
Forget about this useful tool.
Jim

The SeeYou Team code does something FLARM can not do: show you were your
friends are, using your map display, as far as your radio can reach.
Flarm is limited to 2 - 3km.

For another way to show your friends on a map, look at the Garmin Rino
series of two way radio with GPS ($250-$500): push a button, and your
position is indicated on their GPS. It also works over a far greater
distance than FLARM, and allows private communication off the busy 123.3
and .5 frequencies. Distance to 10 miles or more.

And finally, take a look at the Garmin Astro Dog tracker. I don't know
if anyone has used these in a glider, but it looks like it might work,
and it does it's job automatically - no pilot workload. $600 for the
display and one collar, works with up to 10 collars. Buy a unit and give
the collar to your friend, so you know where he is; he does the same for
you. It also works over 7+ mile range on the ground on a dog, certainly
farther in the air, again a greater distance than FLARM.

No, the collar doesn't have a shock device built into it, but that might
be a useful feature for clubs that have problems getting members to
bring the glider back when their time is up!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

Eric ! Are you insinuating that your plane is - a dog ??

No just you have to add the zap the pilot gadget to an ASH-26E. It is
not like those 'lectric motorgliders that come pre-wired to do
that :-)

Ah alright I'm just jealous.

Darryl

Dave Nadler wrote:

And finally, take a look at the Garmin Astro Dog tracker. I don't know
if anyone has used these in a glider, but it looks like it might work,
and it does it's job automatically - no pilot workload. $600 for the
display and one collar, works with up to 10 collars. Buy a unit and give
the collar to your friend, so you know where he is; he does the same for
you. It also works over 7+ mile range on the ground on a dog, certainly
farther in the air, again a greater distance than FLARM.

No, the collar doesn't have a shock device built into it, but that might
be a useful feature for clubs that have problems getting members to
bring the glider back when their time is up!


Eric ! Are you insinuating that your plane is - a dog ??

No, no: *I* have the display! My friends' gliders have the collars so I
know where they are.

Incidentally, the collar can tell "whether he’s [the dog] running,
sitting, on point or treeing quarry. Astro can also sound an alarm to
let you know instantly when your dog goes on point." I'm certain that a
collar, properly mounted on the glider, will indicate "on point" when
the pilot is thermalling.

Now, Dave, imagine how useful one of these would be if it were mounted
on a friend's glider, a friend flying in the same competition you are,
especially if you didn't mention it to him, right?

But the dog tracking idea has some merit: if they can do it for dogs,
perhaps the same technology would be allowed for airborne use.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

Can anyone answer the original question? Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work? I was actually curious...
And how does it actually work, as in how does it communicate from one
device to the other. People have alluded to it transmitting over the
radio, do both gliders also need to be on the same radio freq.? etc. etc.

thanks,
Jim



At 20:56 01 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:
Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track of
where each other was, thought about using the team location feature in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian




6.17 Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next
Navboxes . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation. It is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't have
a
clue unless they have the
key

On Sep 4, 6:15*am, J A wrote:
Can anyone answer the original question? *Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work? *I was actually curious...
And how does it actually work, as in how does it communicate from one
device to the other. *People have alluded to it transmitting over the
radio, do both gliders also need to be on the same radio freq.? etc. etc.

thanks,
Jim

At 20:56 01 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:

Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track of
where each other was, thought about using the team location feature in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian

6.17 * *Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next
Navboxes * * . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation. It is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't have
a
clue unless they have the
key

I started this thread and don't entirely understand the feature yet,
I'll try it this weekend. But one thing I do understand is that this
is not a dynamic feature (it does not update the position) and it is
not device to device. It just gives you a 4 or 5 letter code, which
you transmit by radio to other pilots. They enter the code into
SeeYou, (or winpilot or xcsoar, I understand they all have this
feature) and your location is displayed, I think as a waypoint. After
entering the code you have an option to press a GOTO button which in
my setup would display distance and bearing to a glider pilot who had
just sent me his/her code. It would continue to display that
information long after the other glider had moved on.

So,if the other pilot sent you their code while in a strong thermal
you would have a waypoint set to that thermal and know where they were
at that moment.

I understand that you both need to be on the same software, it seems
that they use different ways to generate the code. But I am still
figuring this out.

Brian