302 security failures

Anyone else got one, lately?

And yes, I do have the flash memory upgrade. Have flown the ship
about a hundred hours since the upgrade, this is the first such
problem (yesterday). Didn't think to check to see if the memory just
'rolled over', but it is probably close, IIRC 302 holds right around a
hundred hours of flight logs at 4sec interval.

-T8

You're right, it's about 100 hours.
It's just another thing to deal with at Annual time. For many people
using "clear log" at Annual is sufficient to keep the gremlins away.
But if you fly a lot, that isn't enough. Perhaps stick a post-it note
in the logbook to remind you of when the next "clear log" is due...
SPOT batteries should get changed at each Annual too. I put 200
hours on the 2 Lithium AAs (version 1) with no problem, but doubt I'd
push it another year.
At the bottom is a way to make and test a log without flying, to
check 302 security.
Jim

Clearing the flight log memory in a 302 or 302A
This may help reduce flight log security issues on future flights.
Important Note: This will erase all flight logs in memory!
1. Connect the 302 or 302A to a PC using the RS-232 serial cable that
was supplied with the 302.
2. Power the 302 or 302A with 12 volts and make sure the unit is
turned-on. The GPS antenna does not need to be connected.
3. Run a terminal emulator program on the PC. A good one to use is
HyperTerminal. It is included with most versions of Windows. To
access it go to:
o Start Menu / All Programs / Accessories / Communications /
HyperTerminal
4. In the "New Connections" window enter "302" for the Connection Name
and then click the OK button.
5. In the "Connect To" window, set the "Connect using" parameter to
match the desired communications port. This is the port which the
RS-232 serial cable is connecting with. It is usually COM1, COM2,
etc. and will vary from PC to PC. Then click the OK button.
6. In the "COMx Properties" window set the parameters as specified
below and then click the OK button:
o Baud Rate: 4800
o Data Bits: 8
o Parity: None
o Stop Bits: 1
o Flow Control: None
7. You should now see GPS data sentences appearing in the
HyperTerminal window.
8. Hold the "Ctrl" button on your computer's keyboard and hit the "c"
button (Ctrl-c). The flow of GPS data should stop.
9. At the "cmd" prompt type: "clear log" and hit the Enter key. I
don't think there is any acknowledgement from the 302 other than that
the "cmd" prompt reappears.

Checking the 302 logger with HyperTerminal:

Connect as above
Ctrl C
Type START
Allow it to log 10 minutes.
Type STOP
Then download the log with the CAI 302 utility and check security.

On Apr 5, 11:22*am, JS wrote:
You're right, it's about 100 hours.
* It's just another thing to deal with at Annual time. For many people
using "clear log" at Annual is sufficient to keep the gremlins away.
But if you fly a lot, that isn't enough. Perhaps stick a post-it note
in the logbook to remind you of when the next "clear log" is due...
* SPOT batteries should get changed at each Annual too. I put 200
hours on the 2 Lithium AAs (version 1) with no problem, but doubt I'd
push it another year.
* At the bottom is a way to make and test a log without flying, to
check 302 security.
Jim

Clearing the flight log memory in a 302 or 302A
This may help reduce flight log security issues on future flights.
Important Note: This will erase all flight logs in memory!
1. * * *Connect the 302 or 302A to a PC using the RS-232 serial cable that
was supplied with the 302.
2. * * *Power the 302 or 302A with 12 volts and make sure the unit is
turned-on. *The GPS antenna does not need to be connected.
3. * * *Run a terminal emulator program on the PC. *A good one to use is
HyperTerminal. *It is included with most versions of Windows. *To
access it go to:
o * * * Start Menu / All Programs / Accessories / Communications /
HyperTerminal
4. * * *In the "New Connections" window enter "302" for the Connection Name
and then click the OK button.
5. * * *In the "Connect To" window, set the "Connect using" parameter to
match the desired communications port. *This is the port which the
RS-232 serial cable is connecting with. *It is usually COM1, COM2,
etc. and will vary from PC to PC. *Then click the OK button.
6. * * *In the "COMx Properties" window set the parameters as specified
below and then click the OK button:
o * * * Baud Rate: 4800
o * * * Data Bits: 8
o * * * Parity: None
o * * * Stop Bits: 1
o * * * Flow Control: None
7. * * *You should now see GPS data sentences appearing in the
HyperTerminal window.
8. * * *Hold the "Ctrl" button on your computer's keyboard and hit the "c"
button (Ctrl-c). *The flow of GPS data should stop.
9. * * *At the "cmd" prompt type: "clear log" and hit the Enter key. *I
don't think there is any acknowledgement from the 302 other than that
the "cmd" prompt reappears.

Checking the 302 logger with HyperTerminal:

* Connect as above
Ctrl C
Type START
Allow it to log 10 minutes.
Type STOP
* Then download the log with the CAI 302 utility and check security.

Thanks JS. Somehow, I though the point of the memory upgrade was to
avoid having to do this...

-T8

On 5 Apr, 16:32, T8 wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:22*am, JS wrote:



You're right, it's about 100 hours.
* It's just another thing to deal with at Annual time. For many people
using "clear log" at Annual is sufficient to keep the gremlins away.
But if you fly a lot, that isn't enough. Perhaps stick a post-it note
in the logbook to remind you of when the next "clear log" is due...
* SPOT batteries should get changed at each Annual too. I put 200
hours on the 2 Lithium AAs (version 1) with no problem, but doubt I'd
push it another year.
* At the bottom is a way to make and test a log without flying, to
check 302 security.
Jim

Clearing the flight log memory in a 302 or 302A
This may help reduce flight log security issues on future flights.
Important Note: This will erase all flight logs in memory!
1. * * *Connect the 302 or 302A to a PC using the RS-232 serial cable that
was supplied with the 302.
2. * * *Power the 302 or 302A with 12 volts and make sure the unit is
turned-on. *The GPS antenna does not need to be connected.
3. * * *Run a terminal emulator program on the PC. *A good one to use is
HyperTerminal. *It is included with most versions of Windows. *To
access it go to:
o * * * Start Menu / All Programs / Accessories / Communications /
HyperTerminal
4. * * *In the "New Connections" window enter "302" for the Connection Name
and then click the OK button.
5. * * *In the "Connect To" window, set the "Connect using" parameter to
match the desired communications port. *This is the port which the
RS-232 serial cable is connecting with. *It is usually COM1, COM2,
etc. and will vary from PC to PC. *Then click the OK button.
6. * * *In the "COMx Properties" window set the parameters as specified
below and then click the OK button:
o * * * Baud Rate: 4800
o * * * Data Bits: 8
o * * * Parity: None
o * * * Stop Bits: 1
o * * * Flow Control: None
7. * * *You should now see GPS data sentences appearing in the
HyperTerminal window.
8. * * *Hold the "Ctrl" button on your computer's keyboard and hit the "c"
button (Ctrl-c). *The flow of GPS data should stop.
9. * * *At the "cmd" prompt type: "clear log" and hit the Enter key. *I
don't think there is any acknowledgement from the 302 other than that
the "cmd" prompt reappears.

Checking the 302 logger with HyperTerminal:

* Connect as above
Ctrl C
Type START
Allow it to log 10 minutes.
Type STOP
* Then download the log with the CAI 302 utility and check security.

Thanks JS. *Somehow, I though the point of the memory upgrade was to
avoid having to do this...

-T8


Some time ago I had security fail with a 302ACFR that hadn't been
prevented by prior regular clearing of the flight log but did go away
when I sent the unit back to Cambridge for the Flash upgrade and re-
sealing.

However another possible cause is a flat security memory backup
battery. That's what caused my most recent security fail - this time
with a 302 DDV - and when I took advice (identity withheld for obvious
reasons) about having the flash upgrade done to the unit at the same
time as the battery replacement/re-seal I was told that:

"the original chips used became obsolete so an almost direct
equivalent has been cobbled onto the original board in the last 2
years production. There were then some timing issues, but Phil
Schlosser did some consultation and sorted out the problem. It turned
out that the timing had always been marginal, so there was a software
update that makes both old and new memory chips more reliable. The
original ones do not need the odd hard-wired jumpers to make them work
on the pcb. There is no difference in functionality between the
original and replacement memories, and it is believed by the design
team that the ones the unit was designed around are more reliable.
(The new ones have in principle more memory, but there is not the
control available to use it)."

I can't vouch this but I didn't get the flash changed on the second
unit.

John Galloway

On Apr 5, 12:31*pm, johngalloway wrote:
On 5 Apr, 16:32, T8 wrote:



On Apr 5, 11:22*am, JS wrote:

You're right, it's about 100 hours.
* It's just another thing to deal with at Annual time. For many people
using "clear log" at Annual is sufficient to keep the gremlins away.
But if you fly a lot, that isn't enough. Perhaps stick a post-it note
in the logbook to remind you of when the next "clear log" is due...
* SPOT batteries should get changed at each Annual too. I put 200
hours on the 2 Lithium AAs (version 1) with no problem, but doubt I'd
push it another year.
* At the bottom is a way to make and test a log without flying, to
check 302 security.
Jim

Clearing the flight log memory in a 302 or 302A
This may help reduce flight log security issues on future flights.
Important Note: This will erase all flight logs in memory!
1. * * *Connect the 302 or 302A to a PC using the RS-232 serial cable that
was supplied with the 302.
2. * * *Power the 302 or 302A with 12 volts and make sure the unit is
turned-on. *The GPS antenna does not need to be connected.
3. * * *Run a terminal emulator program on the PC. *A good one to use is
HyperTerminal. *It is included with most versions of Windows. *To
access it go to:
o * * * Start Menu / All Programs / Accessories / Communications /
HyperTerminal
4. * * *In the "New Connections" window enter "302" for the Connection Name
and then click the OK button.
5. * * *In the "Connect To" window, set the "Connect using" parameter to
match the desired communications port. *This is the port which the
RS-232 serial cable is connecting with. *It is usually COM1, COM2,
etc. and will vary from PC to PC. *Then click the OK button.
6. * * *In the "COMx Properties" window set the parameters as specified
below and then click the OK button:
o * * * Baud Rate: 4800
o * * * Data Bits: 8
o * * * Parity: None
o * * * Stop Bits: 1
o * * * Flow Control: None
7. * * *You should now see GPS data sentences appearing in the
HyperTerminal window.
8. * * *Hold the "Ctrl" button on your computer's keyboard and hit the "c"
button (Ctrl-c). *The flow of GPS data should stop.
9. * * *At the "cmd" prompt type: "clear log" and hit the Enter key. *I
don't think there is any acknowledgement from the 302 other than that
the "cmd" prompt reappears.

Checking the 302 logger with HyperTerminal:

* Connect as above
Ctrl C
Type START
Allow it to log 10 minutes.
Type STOP
* Then download the log with the CAI 302 utility and check security..

Thanks JS. *Somehow, I though the point of the memory upgrade was to
avoid having to do this...

-T8

Some time ago I had security fail with a 302ACFR *that hadn't been
prevented by prior regular clearing of the flight log but did go away
when I sent the unit back to Cambridge for the Flash upgrade and re-
sealing.

However another possible cause is a flat security memory backup
battery. *That's what caused my most recent security fail - this time
with a 302 DDV - and when I took advice (identity withheld for obvious
reasons) about having the flash upgrade done to the unit at the same
time as the battery replacement/re-seal I was told that:

"the original chips used became obsolete so an almost direct
equivalent has been cobbled onto the original board in the last 2
years production. *There were then some timing issues, but Phil
Schlosser did some consultation and sorted out the problem. *It turned
out that the timing had always been marginal, so there was a software
update that makes both old and new memory chips more reliable. *The
original ones do not need the odd hard-wired jumpers to make them work
on the pcb. *There is no difference in functionality between the
original and replacement memories, and it is believed by the design
team that the ones the unit was designed around are more reliable.
(The new ones have in principle more memory, but there is not the
control available to use it)."

I can't vouch this but I didn't get the flash changed on the second
unit.

John Galloway

I had CAI put a new battery in my unit when it was returned for the
upgrade.

That's an "interesting" story. If true... I'm just glad those guys
weren't building wing spars for Schleicher when my ship was built.

-T8

On 4/5/2010 9:31 AM, johngalloway wrote:

However another possible cause is a flat security memory backup
battery. That's what caused my most recent security fail - this time
with a 302 DDV - and when I took advice (identity withheld for obvious
reasons) about having the flash upgrade done to the unit at the same
time as the battery replacement/re-seal I was told that:

"the original chips used became obsolete so an almost direct
equivalent has been cobbled onto the original board in the last 2
years production. There were then some timing issues, but Phil
Schlosser did some consultation and sorted out the problem. It turned
out that the timing had always been marginal, so there was a software
update that makes both old and new memory chips more reliable. The
original ones do not need the odd hard-wired jumpers to make them work
on the pcb. There is no difference in functionality between the
original and replacement memories, and it is believed by the design
team that the ones the unit was designed around are more reliable.
(The new ones have in principle more memory, but there is not the
control available to use it)."

I can't vouch this but I didn't get the flash changed on the second
unit.

John Galloway


Has CAI released this software update? My 302 is 4 years old, and was
at CAI two years ago for a repair (just a few weeks before Gary K left).
Nothing was said about the possibility of a software upgrade. The
unit has had a security failure since then.

I could be wrong, but I thought Phil Schlosser hadn't been involved with
CAI for years.

On Apr 5, 8:22*am, JS wrote:
You're right, it's about 100 hours.
* It's just another thing to deal with at Annual time. For many people
using "clear log" at Annual is sufficient to keep the gremlins away.
But if you fly a lot, that isn't enough. Perhaps stick a post-it note
in the logbook to remind you of when the next "clear log" is due...
* SPOT batteries should get changed at each Annual too. I put 200
hours on the 2 Lithium AAs (version 1) with no problem, but doubt I'd
push it another year.
* At the bottom is a way to make and test a log without flying, to
check 302 security.
Jim

Clearing the flight log memory in a 302 or 302A
This may help reduce flight log security issues on future flights.
Important Note: This will erase all flight logs in memory!
1. * * *Connect the 302 or 302A to a PC using the RS-232 serial cable that
was supplied with the 302.
2. * * *Power the 302 or 302A with 12 volts and make sure the unit is
turned-on. *The GPS antenna does not need to be connected.
3. * * *Run a terminal emulator program on the PC. *A good one to use is
HyperTerminal. *It is included with most versions of Windows. *To
access it go to:
o * * * Start Menu / All Programs / Accessories / Communications /
HyperTerminal
4. * * *In the "New Connections" window enter "302" for the Connection Name
and then click the OK button.
5. * * *In the "Connect To" window, set the "Connect using" parameter to
match the desired communications port. *This is the port which the
RS-232 serial cable is connecting with. *It is usually COM1, COM2,
etc. and will vary from PC to PC. *Then click the OK button.
6. * * *In the "COMx Properties" window set the parameters as specified
below and then click the OK button:
o * * * Baud Rate: 4800
o * * * Data Bits: 8
o * * * Parity: None
o * * * Stop Bits: 1
o * * * Flow Control: None
7. * * *You should now see GPS data sentences appearing in the
HyperTerminal window.
8. * * *Hold the "Ctrl" button on your computer's keyboard and hit the "c"
button (Ctrl-c). *The flow of GPS data should stop.
9. * * *At the "cmd" prompt type: "clear log" and hit the Enter key. *I
don't think there is any acknowledgement from the 302 other than that
the "cmd" prompt reappears.

Checking the 302 logger with HyperTerminal:

* Connect as above
Ctrl C
Type START
Allow it to log 10 minutes.
Type STOP
* Then download the log with the CAI 302 utility and check security.

BTW if you have SeeYou Mobile on a PDA connected to your 302 is also
easy to clear the log memory using the SeeYou Mobile built in terminal
emulator. You just need to know that entering "hex(3)" sends the
Control-C character to break into command mode.

A while ago I had posted instructions on how to do this on my blog...

http://www.darryl-ramm.com/2008/09/c...seeyou-mobile/

Darryl

On Apr 5, 7:03*am, T8 wrote:
Anyone else got one, lately?

And yes, I do have the flash memory upgrade. *Have flown the ship
about a hundred hours since the upgrade, this is the first such
problem (yesterday). *Didn't think to check to see if the memory just
'rolled over', but it is probably close, IIRC 302 holds right around a
hundred hours of flight logs at 4sec interval.

-T8

Could you clarify this is the security fail on download with a
Cambridge PDA utility software where the hardware/battery seal is
known to be good but the IGC file is invalid. Have you tried a non-
Cambridge utility like ConnectMe, that has never helped me when this
has happened but some people believe it helps with this sometimes.

I have ran my 302 at 1 sec sample rate since getting one of the early
flash memory upgrades, easilly enough to wrap memory, but I dont'
think that proves anything. I had only one bad download/security fail
in past use of that 302.

Darryl

On Apr 5, 11:28*am, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Apr 5, 7:03*am, T8 wrote:

Anyone else got one, lately?

And yes, I do have the flash memory upgrade. *Have flown the ship
about a hundred hours since the upgrade, this is the first such
problem (yesterday). *Didn't think to check to see if the memory just
'rolled over', but it is probably close, IIRC 302 holds right around a
hundred hours of flight logs at 4sec interval.

-T8

Could you clarify this is the security fail on download with a
Cambridge PDA utility software where the hardware/battery seal is
known to be good but the IGC file is invalid. Have you tried a non-
Cambridge utility like ConnectMe, that has never helped me when this
has happened but some people believe it helps with this sometimes.

I have ran my 302 at 1 sec sample rate since getting one of the early
flash memory upgrades, easilly enough to wrap memory, but I dont'
think that proves anything. I had only one bad download/security fail
in past use of that 302.

Darryl

More data:

302 has good seal as displayed on Screen # 8 (or there about) --
verified this after the failed d/l.

Flight logs are being transferred by Cambridge utility to a SD card on
an Ipaq 3970. The Cambridge utility reports three things at the end
of the download -- paraphrasing: "Flight log integrity Okay /
Signature Okay / Security Fail". I've 'verified' the downloaded igc
file with valicam2 and get the same three messages on yesterday's
file.

I've never used another utility to transfer logs -- the CAI utility
works fine.

-Evan Ludeman / T8

On Apr 5, 9:02*am, T8 wrote:

Next time you go to the glider try to download the same log. If it
fails make another flight, then try to download that new log, and the
one that failed previously. If either fails please try a different
download utility. Let us know what happens please.

I think, from my own experience, it is possible for the security fail
to go away without anything being done to the 302.

I never clear my 302 and record all flights at 2 second interval.
Memory was probably cleared when sent in for calibration and service
but the last time that happened was 2005. I have experienced about
2 security fails in over 700 hours logged at 2 sec and I don't think
any in the last 185 hours.

Looking back at my notes, I had a suspicion that the security fail
problem was related to the download utility being used, and that using
a different utility didn't show the problem. That was based on a
postdownload review of saved flight logs and their securty as reported
by Cambridge Aero Explore Plus. I must have lost interest though,
since I didn't come to any firm conclusion about that.

Andy (GY)