Maximum autonomy for expert glider pilots?

If a glider pilot is perfect in every way, how long can he remain in the air?
It's it reasonable to say that there will always be conditions near his
aircraft that will allow him to gain or maintain altitude, or is it a roll of
the dice?

I ask because I read stories about gliders going on and on for hours and
hundreds of miles or more, which implies that there must always be some way to
gain altitude, provided that a pilot is sufficiently skilled. Or are these
pilots just lucky as well?

On Jul 2, 9:55*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
If a glider pilot is perfect in every way, how long can he remain in the air?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

If a glider pilot is perfect in every way, how long can he remain in the air?
It's it reasonable to say that there will always be conditions near his
aircraft that will allow him to gain or maintain altitude, or is it a roll of
the dice?

I ask because I read stories about gliders going on and on for hours and
hundreds of miles or more, which implies that there must always be some way to
gain altitude, provided that a pilot is sufficiently skilled. Or are these
pilots just lucky as well?

Having done about 250 miles and 7.5 hours (in two flights) in a glider
last weekend, I'm probably qualified to answer this one....

Duration all depends on conditions. If it's a calm day with no
convection, take the glider's release altitude, divide it by his sink
rate, and that's how long he can stay airborne. (Roughly 20 minutes off
a 3,000ft tow.)

If it's a sunny day with good convective activity, the glider (with an
appropriately skilled pilot) can stay airborne until the sun angle gets
low enough for the convective activity to stop. On a good day, this is
many hours. My own personal record is just shy of 6 hours, and I'm
nothing special in that regard.

If it's a windy day that's blowing across a mountain at the right angle,
the glider can stay airborne until the wind stops. This can be many
days. They stopped recording a world record for glider duration some
decades ago because it turned into a simple test of endurance, and
people were falling asleep with disastrous consequences.

To answer your last question, it's a combination of luck and skill.
There is *not* always some way to gain altitude. Sometimes you just
strike out and cannot stay up. But on a good day, a pilot with
reasonable skill has a good enough chance to find something before he
reaches the ground that he can stay aloft for a long time.

The Glider Flying Handbook is available for free from the FAA is PDF
form:

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a.../media/faa-h-8
083-13.pdf

If you're seriously curious about this stuff, it is well worth a read.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Jul 3, 7:34*am, Mike Ash wrote:

To answer your last question, it's a combination of luck and skill.
There is *not* always some way to gain altitude. Sometimes you just
strike out and cannot stay up. But on a good day, a pilot with
reasonable skill has a good enough chance to find something before he
reaches the ground that he can stay aloft for a long time.

Mike,

Wouldn't you agree a good "preflight" would reduce or even eliminate
the luck factor?

Like you said, there are not always some way to gain altitude (no
thermals and no winds) but Mx from other posts and even here doesn't
seem to understand the preparation of flight part which reduces that
luck factor in my eyes exponentially.

Even I know in my student infancy in the flats of MS that gliding
activities in December will be severely hampered by winter :-)

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On Jul 3, 7:34*am, Mike Ash wrote:

To answer your last question, it's a combination of luck and skill.
There is *not* always some way to gain altitude. Sometimes you just
strike out and cannot stay up. But on a good day, a pilot with
reasonable skill has a good enough chance to find something before he
reaches the ground that he can stay aloft for a long time.

Mike,

Wouldn't you agree a good "preflight" would reduce or even eliminate
the luck factor?

It will certainly give you a good idea of what to expect. Whether that
counts as reducing luck or simply adjusting expectations, well, that's
kind of a philosophical question I suppose. No doubt it's essential for
maximizing your enjoyment.

Like you said, there are not always some way to gain altitude (no
thermals and no winds) but Mx from other posts and even here doesn't
seem to understand the preparation of flight part which reduces that
luck factor in my eyes exponentially.

I always check soaring forecasts multiple times over the days leading up
to a glider flight, so I have a good idea what conditions will be like.
This allows me to plan the rest of the flight accordingly (such as I
can) and adapt to how things will be. However, you can never be 100%
sure, and sometimes you end up in a strange field far from home despite
all your preparation. (Sometimes you do it on purpose, of course.)

Even I know in my student infancy in the flats of MS that gliding
activities in December will be severely hampered by winter :-)

Out here where we have mountains, winter flying can be the best kind of
flying, actually. We get ridge and wave lift all throughout the winter,
and those are the kinds of lift where people set records.

But overall your point is correct; weather is highly variable, and if
you don't check it beforehand, your flight will probably not be very fun
or very long.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Jul 3, 7:58*am, Mike Ash wrote:

. However, you can never be 100%
sure, and sometimes you end up in a strange field far from home despite
all your preparation. (Sometimes you do it on purpose, of course.)

Heck, this happens in power flight. LOL. Unforecasted IMC for a VFR
pilot would be the prime example.

But overall your point is correct; weather is highly variable, and if
you don't check it beforehand, your flight will probably not be very fun
or very long.

I think this would be consistent no matter what you fly whether it be
glider or power flight.

I really think the luck factor is very minimal in a properly prepared
flight myself. Maybe bad luck, but day like today in MS and temps in
the 90's, severe clear, can't imagine no lift conditions.

Little update on my gliding arena.

Club is flying today and I am hoping to get a lesson in. Downside to
student status is you need two two pilots on hand so I emailed my
instructor to see if it's a good day for lessons.

Haven't heard from him yet. Club is breaking off from Pisgah and
moving to Woodbridge. Talk about convenient as it's only 4 miles from
my house. You can bet once I go solo, they will see me every Friday
they fly. (my self appointed flying day).

Club looking into buying either 2 single seat gliders or a tandem.
They have 1 PW and the Blanick now. Anticipated growth is very
surprising to me.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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If a glider pilot is perfect in every way, how long can he remain in the
air?
It's it reasonable to say that there will always be conditions near his
aircraft that will allow him to gain or maintain altitude, or is it a roll
of
the dice?

I ask because I read stories about gliders going on and on for hours and
hundreds of miles or more, which implies that there must always be some
way to
gain altitude, provided that a pilot is sufficiently skilled. Or are these
pilots just lucky as well?


People still feed this troll? Damn. Guess I'll come back by in another 6
months and see if things have changed.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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If a glider pilot is perfect in every way, how long can he remain in the
air?
It's it reasonable to say that there will always be conditions near his
aircraft that will allow him to gain or maintain altitude, or is it a
roll of
the dice?

I ask because I read stories about gliders going on and on for hours and
hundreds of miles or more, which implies that there must always be some
way to
gain altitude, provided that a pilot is sufficiently skilled. Or are
these
pilots just lucky as well?


People still feed this troll? Damn. Guess I'll come back by in another 6
months and see if things have changed.

Delplored by many and 'tis said the troll's belly bulgeth greatly!

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote

People still feed this troll? Damn. Guess I'll come back by in another 6
months and see if things have changed.

Better make it a couple years... He prolly will still be getting feed,
though.

Shame that so many people think he is not a troll, isn't it?
--
Jim in NC

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"Morgans" wrote:

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote

People still feed this troll? Damn. Guess I'll come back by in another 6
months and see if things have changed.

Better make it a couple years... He prolly will still be getting feed,
though.

Shame that so many people think he is not a troll, isn't it?

If the initial message is reasonable, why not respond to it? I go based
on content, not author. If and when he degenerates into trolling, I
quit. But until that point, why reject perfectly reasonable
conversation-starters just because of authorship?

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon