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Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in
the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments. http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0...Id=-1117266168 Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4 http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv |
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On Oct 18, 12:03*pm, Bruno wrote:
Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv Nice installation Bruno. 3.5 miles, dang! I think my closest this year was 3.3 miles. also had a 4ish mile on the return from a Diamond Goal attempt. Looks like you even got the obligatory lift at pattern height that just might let you drift back to the airport if only you can hang on for a little while longer. Looks like plenty of great landout options in the valley there though. I also noticed that my Cherokee II landout video was second on the "suggested" list to the right. Thanks for doing the video thing, its a great learning tool! |
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On Oct 18, 1:03*pm, Bruno wrote:
Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv Excellent video. Wish I had this available last month when I was giving a land out talk. There's a few things that you should learn from the experience, though (shouldn't there always be?), as suggested by the likes of Tim Welles and Kai Gertsen: 1. turn off the radio when you're low -- it's just a distraction. Also, as Doug Jacobs likes to say, if you can do anything else while thermalling, you're not thinking about thermalling hard enough. You can turn it back on after you land and tell everyone you're all right. 2. pick the field while you still have room to change your mind, and when you can see it properly. You picked a field ahead of yourself a ways, and lucked out that it was a good field (it was into the sun, too, so it had to be hard to see it well). I tried that last year and landed in chest-high barley (ouch). 3. pick the field at a more reasonable altitude. 300 feet (100m for the rest of the world) is more like the altitude you should be turning base to final. It's a little hard to see, but it seems you had good fields under you at 800 feet, and you had a good chance to look at them while you were scratching (which is a good exception to DJ's rule). There's a bunch of good presentations on off field landings (and lots of other great soaring stuff) at Doug Jacob's collection of stuff for the US Team camps: http://www.dragonnorth.com/djpresentations/index.html -- Matt |
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On Oct 18, 2:03*pm, mattm wrote:
On Oct 18, 1:03*pm, Bruno wrote: Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www..onlinecontest.org/olc-2.....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv Excellent video. *Wish I had this available last month when I was giving a land out talk. *There's a few things that you should learn from the experience, though (shouldn't there always be?), as suggested by the likes of Tim Welles and Kai Gertsen: 1. turn off the radio when you're low -- it's just a distraction. Also, as Doug Jacobs likes to say, if you can do anything else while thermalling, you're not thinking about thermalling hard enough. *You can turn it back on after you land and tell everyone you're all right. 2. pick the field while you still have room to change your mind, and when you can see it properly. *You picked a field ahead of yourself a ways, and lucked out that it was a good field (it was into the sun, too, so it had to be hard to see it well). *I tried that last year and landed in chest-high barley (ouch). 3. pick the field at a more reasonable altitude. *300 feet (100m for the rest of the world) is more like the altitude you should be turning base to final. It's a little hard to see, but it seems you had good fields under you at 800 feet, and you had a good chance to look at them while you were scratching (which is a good exception to DJ's rule). There's a bunch of good presentations on off field landings (and lots of other great soaring stuff) at Doug Jacob's collection of stuff for the US Team camps:http://www.dragonnorth.com/djpresentations/index.html -- Matt Also, I don't want to sound negative in all this. You did do stuff right, too -- checklist, take the safe option to go into the field (rather than stretching too far), and local field knowledge. As you said on the radio, you were very close to glide slope, but you broke off while you still had time to maneuver. There's too many NTSB reports of pilots just hoping for that last 80 feet to materialize... -- Matt |
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Thanks for posting this, love the videos.
Just one question: What ever happend to this? Decision Altitudes Below 3000 agl Be in an area with landing possibilities 2000 agl Select several fields with potential 2000- 1500 agl Choose a field(s) / Search for thermals 1500- 1200 agl Position the upwind leg of chosen field 1000 agl Be established in the upwind leg 800- 600 agl Established on downwind leg On Oct 18, 11:03*am, Bruno wrote: Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv |
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On Oct 18, 3:29*pm, glider12321 wrote:
*Thanks for posting this, love the videos. Just one question: What ever happend to this? Decision Altitudes Below 3000 agl Be in an area with landing possibilities 2000 agl Select several fields with potential 2000- 1500 agl Choose a field(s) / Search for thermals 1500- 1200 agl Position the upwind leg of chosen field 1000 agl Be established in the upwind leg 800- 600 agl Established on downwind leg On Oct 18, 11:03*am, Bruno wrote: Please review the IGC file, you will see that Bruno did overfly the landing site a few minutes earlier and spent time thermalling over the field at 1000 feet. It is also noted in the video that he had checked the field. As for your numbers for 1500 feet and lower, those numbers depend on the pilot and skill level. A new pilot may use the numbers you propose, more experienced pilots may adjust those numbers down to their own comfort level and the type of terrain they are over. |
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Tim Taylor wrote:
As for your numbers for 1500 feet and lower, those numbers depend on the pilot and skill level. And the landscape below you. There are regions where I never fly outside of the gliding range of a known outlanding field, and there are other regions where I just go and fly ahead until the wheel rolls. |
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On Oct 18, 10:03*am, Bruno wrote:
Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv Bruno What kind of camera were you using and how did you have it mounted and was it wired into the electrical system? Nice work. |
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On Oct 18, 7:08*pm, mattm wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:03*pm, mattm wrote: On Oct 18, 1:03*pm, Bruno wrote: Hey everyone. We had a fun weekend up in Utah with many gliders up in the air enjoying the amazing fall colors and mountain scenery. *At the end of Friday's flight I decided to extend the flight and go play out in the weak wave lift in the valley northeast of the Logan airport. It was fun until it stopped being fun... ![]() For those of you who have not yet enjoyed an off-field landing, this video shows the final 6 minutes before the landout and then landing in the farmer's alfalfa field. It does a good job of showing the desire to try to stretch and make it home but in the end making the correct decision and landing safely short of the airport in a good field. Please note the field was chosen and looked over well before the gear came down. Other than a few green leaves that needed to be washed away from the bottom of the glider it was no worse for wear and I am thrilled to have the video to share with others of what the experience of landing in a field is like. Please watch the video in the highest resolution your computer and connection can handle. *It was shot in 1080HD and at that resolution you should be able to read all the numbers on the instruments. *The camera is a Canon HF20 with a fish eye lens which does a great job of distorting my face... ![]() adjustable arms. *I have a custom voltage reducer to take a full 12 volt 7 amp/hr battery and lower it to 8.4 volts so I get 7+ hours of battery life. The standard camera batteries only last a few hours max so this is necessary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfNA5nhGQM&hd=1 Here is the igc file - it wasn't an impressive flight but you can see the trace at the end where the video shows the final moments.http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0....html?flightId... Thanks for watching and hope you enjoy. Bruno Vassel IV - B4http://www.youtube.com/user/bviv Excellent video. *Wish I had this available last month when I was giving a land out talk. *There's a few things that you should learn from the experience, though (shouldn't there always be?), as suggested by the likes of Tim Welles and Kai Gertsen: 1. turn off the radio when you're low -- it's just a distraction. Also, as Doug Jacobs likes to say, if you can do anything else while thermalling, you're not thinking about thermalling hard enough. *You can turn it back on after you land and tell everyone you're all right. 2. pick the field while you still have room to change your mind, and when you can see it properly. *You picked a field ahead of yourself a ways, and lucked out that it was a good field (it was into the sun, too, so it had to be hard to see it well). *I tried that last year and landed in chest-high barley (ouch). 3. pick the field at a more reasonable altitude. *300 feet (100m for the rest of the world) is more like the altitude you should be turning base to final. It's a little hard to see, but it seems you had good fields under you at 800 feet, and you had a good chance to look at them while you were scratching (which is a good exception to DJ's rule). There's a bunch of good presentations on off field landings (and lots of other great soaring stuff) at Doug Jacob's collection of stuff for the US Team camps:http://www.dragonnorth.com/djpresentations/index.html -- Matt Also, I don't want to sound negative in all this. *You did do stuff right, too -- checklist, take the safe option to go into the field (rather than stretching too far), and local field knowledge. *As you said on the radio, you were very close to glide slope, but you broke off while you still had time to maneuver. There's too many NTSB reports of pilots just hoping for that last 80 feet to materialize... -- Matt- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If the pilot hadn't rejected some weak lift (by US standards) and then glid in a straight line rather than faffing around, he might have made it back! Derek C |
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Nice video, thanks for sharing.
There always seems to be somebody who still has lift (and reminds you) just when you΄re about to land out..(4:58).. |
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