can I get paid?

Hello All,

I know that this topic has been discussed several times and that the answers
are pretty common. I just want to ensure in my particular idea if I
understand the facts.

For my civilian employment I am a computer compliance specialist. There are
occasions that I need to go to our corporate office a few states away and
others go too. Typically, if there are enough going they charter a King Air
to take us. However, it is more likely than not that not enough go to get a
Charter. If I were to fly with a PP-ASEL, could I be reimbursed for the
rental cost? Further, if I were to take my own airplane, could I recover the
fuel cost?

I think that I could do either of the above. I am not for hire to be a
pilot. Regardless if I use a plane or not, I am still going.

What are your opinions again?

This would be so much easier if it were a helicopter because I have a
commercial and an IR in them.

Thanks,
Frederick Wilson

Tim you idiot.. re read the post.. he said when there is enough people going
the COMPANY CHARTERS A KING AIR..

his question is.. when it's just him.. can he legally get the company to
reimburse his travel (rental) costs.. for the SEL

what a dolt..

BT

"Timothy Oneal" wrote in message
...
King Air is a twin, you got PP ASEL.... good luck flying pic. Youd have
to
have a MEI with you to fly that thing.
"Frederick Wilson" wrote in message
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Hello All,

I know that this topic has been discussed several times and that the
answers
are pretty common. I just want to ensure in my particular idea if I
understand the facts.

For my civilian employment I am a computer compliance specialist. There
are
occasions that I need to go to our corporate office a few states away
and
others go too. Typically, if there are enough going they charter a King
Air
to take us. However, it is more likely than not that not enough go to
get
a
Charter. If I were to fly with a PP-ASEL, could I be reimbursed for the
rental cost? Further, if I were to take my own airplane, could I recover
the
fuel cost?

I think that I could do either of the above. I am not for hire to be a
pilot. Regardless if I use a plane or not, I am still going.

What are your opinions again?

This would be so much easier if it were a helicopter because I have a
commercial and an IR in them.

Thanks,
Frederick Wilson

Fred.. the big answer would depend on your company's travel reimbursement
policy.. xx cents per mile for personal auto or rental car, xxx cents per
mile for personal air travel. Many company's do not want their people flying
:"on company business" unless they are commercial rated and specifically
covered/approved by their company.

What you need to be careful of, is the.. "I'm going anyway.. but Chuck in
Finance needs to go so there is an empty seat.".. then you or chuck could be
violating the company policy and in the event of an accident.. yours and
Chucks heirs get nothing.

as far as FARs.. AOPA would have the best answer, but as long as it's "just
you", you are not on company time (payroll, not flying for hire) when your
traveling, and you get reimbursed at xxx cents per mile for travel.. as long
as that does not exceed the cost of the rental you should be ok.

But as with anything else in aviation.. there are many opinions.. and you
can call the local Flight Standards Office.. talk to 3 different people and
get 4 different answers..

BT
"Frederick Wilson" wrote in message
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Hello All,

I know that this topic has been discussed several times and that the
answers
are pretty common. I just want to ensure in my particular idea if I
understand the facts.

For my civilian employment I am a computer compliance specialist. There
are
occasions that I need to go to our corporate office a few states away and
others go too. Typically, if there are enough going they charter a King
Air
to take us. However, it is more likely than not that not enough go to get
a
Charter. If I were to fly with a PP-ASEL, could I be reimbursed for the
rental cost? Further, if I were to take my own airplane, could I recover
the
fuel cost?

I think that I could do either of the above. I am not for hire to be a
pilot. Regardless if I use a plane or not, I am still going.

What are your opinions again?

This would be so much easier if it were a helicopter because I have a
commercial and an IR in them.

Thanks,
Frederick Wilson

Wrong subject line...you mean "Can I get reimbursed?" You obviously cannot
get paid for flying.

Bob Gardner

"Frederick Wilson" wrote in message
news:hcBrb.156752$Tr4.421184@attbi_s03...
Hello All,

I know that this topic has been discussed several times and that the
answers
are pretty common. I just want to ensure in my particular idea if I
understand the facts.

For my civilian employment I am a computer compliance specialist. There
are
occasions that I need to go to our corporate office a few states away and
others go too. Typically, if there are enough going they charter a King
Air
to take us. However, it is more likely than not that not enough go to get
a
Charter. If I were to fly with a PP-ASEL, could I be reimbursed for the
rental cost? Further, if I were to take my own airplane, could I recover
the
fuel cost?

I think that I could do either of the above. I am not for hire to be a
pilot. Regardless if I use a plane or not, I am still going.

What are your opinions again?

This would be so much easier if it were a helicopter because I have a
commercial and an IR in them.

Thanks,
Frederick Wilson

You obviously cannot
get paid for flying.


Is that really true? So long as the fllying is "incidental" to the business, I
beleve you can get "paid for flying" - i.e. you can be on salary during the
trip.

Jose

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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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Wrong subject line...you mean "Can I get reimbursed?" You obviously cannot
get paid for flying.

Don't you think you're splitting hairs a little finely there? "Paid" does
not necessarily mean you have been hired. It simply means you've received
money. A reimbursement is just as much a payment as a paycheck is.

The thing I really don't get is that I'd have thought that you'd know the
answer to his question, but for some reason you didn't take the time to
comment on *that*. That would have been a more helpful reply than what you
offered, I think.

Frederick: BTIZ's reply pretty much sums it up (his first one, that is ).
Since the flight is incidental to your business, you may be reimbursed
according to the FARs. You could even carry your coworkers, if they wanted
to come along. However, as he says, your employer may not think it's such a
great idea anyway. Corporate lawyers are notoriously jumpy about small
aircraft being used in the furtherance of company business.

Pete

I think that you and teacherjh are the ones who are splitting hairs. It is
obvious that he will collect his paycheck for his employment...he wanted to
know what method was appropriate so that he could recover his costs.

Bob Gardner

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:FQBrb.155284$HS4.1275807@attbi_s01...
Wrong subject line...you mean "Can I get reimbursed?" You obviously
cannot
get paid for flying.

Don't you think you're splitting hairs a little finely there? "Paid" does
not necessarily mean you have been hired. It simply means you've received
money. A reimbursement is just as much a payment as a paycheck is.

The thing I really don't get is that I'd have thought that you'd know the
answer to his question, but for some reason you didn't take the time to
comment on *that*. That would have been a more helpful reply than what
you
offered, I think.

Frederick: BTIZ's reply pretty much sums it up (his first one, that is
).
Since the flight is incidental to your business, you may be reimbursed
according to the FARs. You could even carry your coworkers, if they
wanted
to come along. However, as he says, your employer may not think it's such
a
great idea anyway. Corporate lawyers are notoriously jumpy about small
aircraft being used in the furtherance of company business.

Pete

You may be reimbursed by your company for the cost of your travel if flying
is incidental to the reason for the trip (meaning that the reason for the
trip could be accomplished if you drove or took a commercial airliner). You
may not volunteer to take people if you were not going anyway. This
reimbursement may take the form of a standard mileage rate or by computing
direct costs. You may not be reimbursed for your time when you are piloting
the airplane.

People will tell you that corporate attorneys, insurance, etc. will not
generally allow it. Actually, I know several people that fly their own
airplanes on company business. It is easier, of course, if you own the
company, but most of the people that I know are like sales people or
engineers for large corporations.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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I think that you and teacherjh are the ones who are splitting hairs. It is
obvious that he will collect his paycheck for his employment

And he's permitted to. It's the reimbursement for the cost of the airplane
he was asking about, which is not his paycheck. He can get paid, AND he can
get paid (except, of course, by your overly strict definition of "paid").

Google on "private aircraft + reimbursement" and you will get all sorts of
useful information.

Bob Gardner

"Frederick Wilson" wrote in message
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Hello All,

I know that this topic has been discussed several times and that the
answers
are pretty common. I just want to ensure in my particular idea if I
understand the facts.

For my civilian employment I am a computer compliance specialist. There
are
occasions that I need to go to our corporate office a few states away and
others go too. Typically, if there are enough going they charter a King
Air
to take us. However, it is more likely than not that not enough go to get
a
Charter. If I were to fly with a PP-ASEL, could I be reimbursed for the
rental cost? Further, if I were to take my own airplane, could I recover
the
fuel cost?

I think that I could do either of the above. I am not for hire to be a
pilot. Regardless if I use a plane or not, I am still going.

What are your opinions again?

This would be so much easier if it were a helicopter because I have a
commercial and an IR in them.

Thanks,
Frederick Wilson