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The Federal government instituted CAPPS II this week. This is a more
enhanced version of current passenger screening/profiling where passengers are assigned a risk category of green, yellow, or red based on information a passenger is going to be required to provide before being allowed on the plane--namely, full name, date of birth, and home address. If done under the aegis of the government, vice private industry, it appears to be a clear violation of the 4th Amendment provisions against unreasonable search & seizure, and I'm sure it will be contested at some point. However, in the interim, I wonder if this isn't actually an unintended benefit to those of us in general aviation. Those of us who use our planes for business are probably aware of the "reasonable man" litmus test for deduction of flying expenses where commercial air is a viable option--e.g, it doesn't pass the "reasonable man" test to spend $2400 flying from NY to LA in a small plane when a commercial ticket could have been purchased for a fraction of that. The IRS would, rightfully in my opinion, disallow that deduction. Tax books cite case law instances to show what would be considered reasonable and what would not. It occurs to me that the invasiveness of CAPPS II and the general inconvenience of commercial air travel in this country, post-911, has signficantly altered the balance in this "reasonable man" calculation. In other words, it is easier to make a case, in general, to use one's plane for a legitimate business deduction, even when the cost of doing so is significantly higher than a commercial ticket. The potential for identify theft alone would be a justifiable reason to forego commercial air. With the information one is required to supply now under CAPPS II, plus a social security number, one would basically have the "keys to the kingdom" to steal someone's identity. I've followed the discussions in this newsgroup ever since 9/11 and there seems to be genuine concern over the loss of rights and privileges of active pilots. I'm not trying to diminish these concerns, but suggest that in sum, the attack of 9/11 and the subsequent over-reactions to it have actually made a pilot's certificate a ticket to much more freedom than was previously the case. As of today, it is the only way to fly in the countrry without giving the federal government your home address and date of birth. "A pilot, in those days, was the only unfettered and entirely independent human being that lived on earth."---Mark Twain (referring to Riverboat pilots, but I think it still stands true today) Hank Rausch |
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![]() "Hank Rausch" wrote in message m... the general inconvenience of commercial air travel in this country, post-911, has signficantly altered the balance in this "reasonable man" calculation. In other words, it is easier to make a case, in general, to use one's plane for a legitimate business deduction, even when the cost of doing so is significantly higher than a commercial ticket. The potential for identify theft alone would be a justifiable reason to forego commercial air. With the information one is required to supply now under CAPPS II, plus a social security number, one would basically have the "keys to the kingdom" to steal someone's identity. I concur, but it was a good argument before 9/11. In fact, it was the 30 hour commercial jet flight time to AND from VA and MI on 10/31 - 9/1 and 9/3 - 9/4 2001 and loss of a days wages that convinced me to complete my PPL and IA tickets. These were the result of weather delays at ORD, but even the connecting flight time was equivalent to launching direct in a 172. It was impossible to justify 10x the airline expense for the same trip completed in 1/3 of the time by automobile - except that statistically the travel by jet was safer. Anyway, the reasonable man calculation certainly did not work - I had to pay all of the expenses incurred for "WX delay" in addition to the cost of the tickets - well over $2K all told. According to IRS mileage rates, the cost to drive is roughly $400 and to fly a 172 is roughly $1K - in way less time - which is the whole value proposition of jet travel. Some other factors to prove this in the pre-9/11 world we - Delays and lost revenue resulting from work stoppages and slowdowns by unionized aviation employees. - Potential to be a victim of the 'air rage' syndrome that was occurring based upon all of the combinations above. In your example, to go from IAD to LGA tomorrow coming back Tuesday is $500 per person by commercial jet. In as much, the 172 pilot can depart and arrive on whatever schedule is most practical...for about the same or less in about the same amount of time! Now add a second passenger to both scenarios...! Now that is liberty. With low-cost single engine personal jets coming to fruition, I can see the concept of the Jetson's becoming more real. Obviously, there are powerful forces that would prefer that not happen any time soon for all kinds of reasons. (e.g., CBS, FAA, DHS, AAL, UAL, EPA, GM, etc.) The list is just to show that the opposition will transcend the Estates, if you will. |
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![]() "Hank Rausch" wrote in message m... | | However, in the interim, I wonder if this isn't actually an | unintended benefit to those of us in general aviation. Those of us who | use our planes for business are probably aware of the "reasonable man" | litmus test for deduction of flying expenses where commercial air is a | viable option--e.g, it doesn't pass the "reasonable man" test to spend | $2400 flying from NY to LA in a small plane when a commercial ticket | could have been purchased for a fraction of that. The IRS would, | rightfully in my opinion, disallow that deduction. Tax books cite | case law instances to show what would be considered reasonable and | what would not. I practiced as a CPA for thirty years before retiring a few years ago. I would like to see such cases. I have never seen the IRS disallow any deduction solely because it was not the cheapest way to go. There is no "reasonable man" test in tax law that I know of except in certain matters having to do with the compensation of corporate officers. If you want to cover your office building in gold leaf you can do it and amortize the cost with the building, even though bare cinder block might be much cheaper. In fact, gold plated buildings were quite the fad a few years ago. It has been well established that the cost of business travel in private aircraft is deductible, even if that business travel is in a Gulfstream V. If you want to do all your business travel by camel caravan with a troop of harem slaves and eunuchs the IRS is not going to question it. (Shoot, Barnum and Bailey has been doing essentially that for centuries.) One of the most common tax questions about business travel in private aircraft is what the standard deduction per mile is. The answer is that you should deduct your actual costs, since the cost per mile varies too widely among various types of aircraft to make any standard mileage cost a useable figure. Where you might run into trouble (and probably the source of your "reasonable man" litmus test) is if the IRS decides that the primary reason for your trip was not for business purposes. If they think that some incidental business purpose was being used just as an excuse for a personal tour around the country in your private airplane, the IRS is going to say that you are not allowed to deduct your vacation. | | It occurs to me that the invasiveness of CAPPS II and the general | inconvenience of commercial air travel in this country, post-911, has | signficantly altered the balance in this "reasonable man" calculation. | In other words, it is easier to make a case, in general, to use one's | plane for a legitimate business deduction, even when the cost of doing | so is significantly higher than a commercial ticket. Since the cost difference between private and commercial travel was never an issue, then the rest of your argument does not follow. Tax law has pretty well established that you are free to mismanage your business pretty much as you please and still deduct your losses. Business aviation has gotten a big boost, though, from both new tax laws and from new security. In fact, I cannot imagine a situation where it is now more cost effective to travel by airline than it is by corporate airplane. I am amazed that there are any business travelers on the airlines at all, given the current circumstances. I can only attribute it to massive ignorance of the advantages of avoiding the airlines and to concern about the safety of small planes. Even very small businesses can reap enormous tax benefits while turning a Cessna 172 into a profit center. The safety issue can be at least partially dealt with by taking various measures. You should not allow all the top officers to travel on the same plane, for example -- and that goes for airline travel as well. I most commonly see the CEO and treasurer on one jet, with a senior v.p. or president and the secretary on another. The board simply cannot risk decapitating the entire company in a single accident. Small companies cannot afford to do that, of course, but that is what corporate life insurance is supposed to be for. |
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Your analysis is right on CJ...
Concerning whoever opined that the irs will tell the taxpayer that he has to take the cheapest route, this is a matter of settled case law - when Judge Learned Hand published a finding that says that the taxpayer does not have a legal duty to arrange his affairs for the financial benefit of the government... denny |
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"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message ...
Your analysis is right on CJ... Concerning whoever opined that the irs will tell the taxpayer that he has to take the cheapest route, this is a matter of settled case law - when Judge Learned Hand published a finding that says that the taxpayer does not have a legal duty to arrange his affairs for the financial benefit of the government... denny Denny, Here is a relevant passage from tax law: Companies can deduct travel expenses while employees are working away from home in the pursuit of a trade or business as ordinary and necessary expenses under IRC section 162(a). Treasury regulations section 1.162-2 explicitly includes "travel fares" that are reasonable, necessary and directly attributable to business as valid trade or business expenses. The law considers an expense ordinary if it is "common and accepted," comparing the taxpayer with "the group, the community, of which he is a part" (Welch v. Helvering, 290 US 111, 114, 54 Sup. Ct. 8, 78, 1933). In Noyce v. Commissioner (97 TC no. 46, 97 TC 670 (1991)), the court said the taxpayer incurred ordinary expenses when there was a clear business advantage and when the cost of replicating the travel schedule and the time savings via commercial charter would have exceeded the costs of operating a company aircraft. NECESSARY EXPENSES Because personal aircraft had for so long been viewed as a lavish business perk, the courts require taxpayers to prove that aircraft they claim as business deductions are actually necessary for their business and not just for the owner's benefit. |
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Don't wander off in the weeds Hank... I have run my own businesses all my
life, and my accountant can cite chapter and verse of tax court rulings, and yes I expense my airplane for those trips that are business... If you are disguising vacation, personal, and fun travel, as a business expense - regardless of the mode of transport airplane/boat/car/train/oxcart - it will be denied when discovered, and rightly so... That is not what Judge Hand ruled on... He ruled that the federal government does not have the power to force you to arrange your affairs to maximize the amount the government can tax you... By corollary, the government cannot increase your tax burden because you choose to buy your copy machine toner from a distributor that is 10% more than some other distributor, or force you to ship your employees by Greyhound because they are cheaper than the airlines... Such a ruling would create chaos for the business community, and bring down the current tax law in the end - not necessarily a bad thing... Dow Chemical Corporation's flight department is just up the road from me... I am on speaking terms with a number of their senior pilots and executives... I have talked about this issue with them... It costs them more to operate the airplanes than it would to ship their people by commercial coach fares, especially given the volume discounts they could arrange, BUT their people, many of whom fly 2 or 3 days a week continuously, would lose far more hours waiting on airline schedules, etc... Their people are more productive because Dow runs a tight schedule with it's own airplanes... The irs has not even tried to challenge Dow's use of it's planes... Needless to say, Dow has iron clad rules for who gets on their airplanes... Momma and the kids don't go to Orlando with you... denny "Hank Rausch" wrote in Here is a relevant passage from tax law: |
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![]() "Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message ... | Don't wander off in the weeds Hank... I have run my own businesses all my | life, and my accountant can cite chapter and verse of tax court rulings, and | yes I expense my airplane for those trips that are business... If you are | disguising vacation, personal, and fun travel, as a business expense - | regardless of the mode of transport airplane/boat/car/train/oxcart - it will | be denied when discovered, and rightly so... | Exactly. As long as you are really using the airplane for business travel, it is deductible. Start turning that business trip into a vacation by visiting friends and relatives, taking non-employees along, visiting resorts, etc., then you start running afoul of the rules. Travel by personal aircraft is accepted as ordinary and necessary. Travel from New York to Chicago via Orlando is not. |
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