FAA Plans to Change to Radios with 8.33 MHz spacing?

Hi,

I imagine someone on this newsgroup can point me in the right direction on a
technical/FAA question.

Becker offers 2 versions of their AR6201 radio. The original version has
frequency spacing that can be set to either 25 mHz or 8.33 mHz. The new,
slightly lower cost option has frequency spacing fixed at 25 MHz It is my
understanding that the 8.33 MHz spacing is required in Europe, but not
currently in the USA. Customers are asking me whether the FAA has any plans
to go to the 8.33 MHz spacing in the near future - so they can be better
equipped to select the radio version that makes sense. At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was going to require radios
with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you in advance.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:33:51 PM UTC-7, Paul Remde wrote:
Hi, I imagine someone on this newsgroup can point me in the right direction on a technical/FAA question. Becker offers 2 versions of their AR6201 radio. The original version has frequency spacing that can be set to either 25 mHz or 8.33 mHz. The new, slightly lower cost option has frequency spacing fixed at 25 MHz It is my understanding that the 8.33 MHz spacing is required in Europe, but not currently in the USA. Customers are asking me whether the FAA has any plans to go to the 8.33 MHz spacing in the near future - so they can be better equipped to select the radio version that makes sense.. At a recent soaring seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was going to require radios with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020. Can anyone help me? Thank you in advance. Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

Google can help.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

Paul,

Am I missing something here? Don't we currently have 0.25 MHz spacing and
isn't the plan to divide that into three channels which would make 0.0833
MHz spacing?

Respectfully,

Wayne



"Paul Remde" wrote in message ...

Hi,

I imagine someone on this newsgroup can point me in the right direction on a
technical/FAA question.

Becker offers 2 versions of their AR6201 radio. The original version has
frequency spacing that can be set to either 25 mHz or 8.33 mHz. The new,
slightly lower cost option has frequency spacing fixed at 25 MHz It is my
understanding that the 8.33 MHz spacing is required in Europe, but not
currently in the USA. Customers are asking me whether the FAA has any plans
to go to the 8.33 MHz spacing in the near future - so they can be better
equipped to select the radio version that makes sense. At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was going to require radios
with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you in advance.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

On Apr 11, 5:33*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
Hi,

I imagine someone on this newsgroup can point me in the right direction on a
technical/FAA question.

Becker offers 2 versions of their AR6201 radio. *The original version has
frequency spacing that can be set to either 25 mHz or 8.33 mHz. *The new,
slightly lower cost option has frequency spacing fixed at 25 MHz *It is my
understanding that the 8.33 MHz spacing is required in Europe, but not
currently in the USA. *Customers are asking me whether the FAA has any plans
to go to the 8.33 MHz spacing in the near future - so they can be better
equipped to select the radio version that makes sense. *At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was going to require radios
with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you in advance.

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

I don't think that would fly. This is not Europe (luckily) where they
have mandate to swap ALL radios by 2018. I could see a requirement
being introduced for such channel spacing in busiest airspace some
time into the future or above certain FL. In Europe the requirement
was introduced in 1994 and it only required 8.33 spacing for above
FL245 then with time it was pushed down to be generally mandated by
2018.

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:11:12 PM UTC-7, Wayne wrote:
Paul, Am I missing something here? Don't we currently have 0.25 MHz spacing and isn't the plan to divide that into three channels which would make 0.0833 MHz spacing? Respectfully, Wayne


Only thing missing is the correct placement of the decimal point

25kHz, 8.33kHz

Andy

On Apr 11, 2:33*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
... *At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was
going to require radios with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

I will be someewhat surprised if we get to 2020 and we are still using
what we think of today as "aircraft radios." I think that by then we
will find that the bandwidth dedicated to those old grampa boxes will
have been divided up and auctioned off, and we will be communicating
over a system based on mobile phone infrastructure.

If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a beer at the 2020 SSA convention. Offer
limited to the first 24 "I told ya sos."

Thanks, Bob K.

On 4/11/2013 7:12 PM, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:33 pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
... At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was
going to require radios with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

I will be someewhat surprised if we get to 2020 and we are still using
what we think of today as "aircraft radios." I think that by then we
will find that the bandwidth dedicated to those old grampa boxes will
have been divided up and auctioned off, and we will be communicating
over a system based on mobile phone infrastructure.

If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a beer at the 2020 SSA convention. Offer
limited to the first 24 "I told ya sos."

Is there still a premium for the extra channels? The last panel mount
radio I bought had 8.33 khz spacing (you can disable it for easier
tuning). It was only $23 more than their 25 kHz spacing unit.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

On 4/11/2013 7:12 PM, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:33 pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:
... At a recent soaring
seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was
going to require radios with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.

I will be someewhat surprised if we get to 2020 and we are still using
what we think of today as "aircraft radios." I think that by then we
will find that the bandwidth dedicated to those old grampa boxes will
have been divided up and auctioned off, and we will be communicating
over a system based on mobile phone infrastructure.

If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a beer at the 2020 SSA convention. Offer
limited to the first 24 "I told ya sos."

Maybe over the ADS-B system? or something like the FRS "walkie-talkies"?
Dump the AWOS transmissions because we'll get all our weather over
ADS-B? Hey, my next glider can already be ordered with it!

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:12:58 PM UTC-6, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:33*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:

... *At a recent soaring

seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was

going to require radios with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.



I will be someewhat surprised if we get to 2020 and we are still using

what we think of today as "aircraft radios." I think that by then we

will find that the bandwidth dedicated to those old grampa boxes will

have been divided up and auctioned off, and we will be communicating

over a system based on mobile phone infrastructure.



If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a beer at the 2020 SSA convention. Offer

limited to the first 24 "I told ya sos."



Thanks, Bob K.

I've got a feeling you'll win that bet. By 2020, the 2 meter AM simplex air-band will be nearly 100 years old and very likely the last of its kind in use. It's way past its use-by date. There are better ways to communicate..

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:33:51 PM UTC-6, Paul Remde wrote:
Hi,



I imagine someone on this newsgroup can point me in the right direction on a

technical/FAA question.



Becker offers 2 versions of their AR6201 radio. The original version has

frequency spacing that can be set to either 25 mHz or 8.33 mHz. The new,

slightly lower cost option has frequency spacing fixed at 25 MHz It is my

understanding that the 8.33 MHz spacing is required in Europe, but not

currently in the USA. Customers are asking me whether the FAA has any plans

to go to the 8.33 MHz spacing in the near future - so they can be better

equipped to select the radio version that makes sense. At a recent soaring

seminar someone stated that they thought the FAA was going to require radios

with the 8.33 MHz spacing starting in 2020.



Can anyone help me?



Thank you in advance.



Paul Remde

Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1403A1.pdf

http://www.uspa.org/Portals/0/Downlo...C-10-103A1.pdf

Don't know about the FAA, but the FCC permits some use under Part 87. Haven't found a mandate, yet.

Frank Whiteley