USA and Security

From a very good friend visiting us from Germany, it is interesting to hear his
perspective.
After a couple of hours at the FAA Offices to upgrade his US certificate and
seeing the security coming and going, he remarks:
" It is like the Soviet Union 20 years ago"
We know it's not quite that bad, but it does make me wonder.
GA

On 12 Feb 2004 18:23:52 GMT, (Nolaminar) wrote:

From a very good friend visiting us from Germany, it is interesting to hear his
perspective.
After a couple of hours at the FAA Offices to upgrade his US certificate and
seeing the security coming and going, he remarks:
" It is like the Soviet Union 20 years ago"
We know it's not quite that bad, but it does make me wonder.
GA

From a comparison of my visit to the Denver FSDO in October, 2001 and
to the Bulgarian Border Customs post, crossing from Romania, in
September, 1977 the difference is less than you might imagine.

In both cases the paperwork, when we got to it, was fast and
efficient.


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I mean, it is completely OK, that the US security people still remember,
that some of september 11. terorists has studied on German universities and
entered USA with German students passports.

George

"Nolaminar" wrote in message
...
From a very good friend visiting us from Germany, it is interesting to
hear his
perspective.
After a couple of hours at the FAA Offices to upgrade his US certificate
and
seeing the security coming and going, he remarks:
" It is like the Soviet Union 20 years ago"
We know it's not quite that bad, but it does make me wonder.
GA

"George Vranek" wrote in message
...
I mean, it is completely OK, that the US security people still remember,
that some of september 11. terorists has studied on German universities
and
entered USA with German students passports.

....and then studied in USA flight schools. Your point?

Vaughn

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:46:04 +0100, "George Vranek"
wrote:

I mean, it is completely OK, that the US security people still remember,
that some of september 11. terorists has studied on German universities and
entered USA with German students passports.


.... where did that guy who did the Oklahoma building come from...!?

Bye
Andreas

(Nolaminar) wrote in message ...
After a couple of hours at the FAA Offices to upgrade his US certificate and
seeing the security coming and going, he remarks:

The thing I find most unusual is that the biggest precautions seem to
be at government offices. I cannot even go in to the Wichita FSDO
without calling them (at least they did put a phone inside the first
set of doors so you don't have to stand outside in the snow and rain),
telling who I want to see, and then having someone come and escort me
in. I think I had to sign in and out to just drop off my program
letter for one of my gliders last year. Guess this time I will use
the US Mail. Just as impersonal as the visit was (because of the
changes) and cheaper, too.

Maybe the government is afraid of being taken over by the people?

Steve Leonard

(Steve) wrote in message . com...

The thing I find most unusual is that the biggest precautions seem to
be at government offices. I cannot even go in to the Wichita FSDO
without calling them (at least they did put a phone inside the first
set of doors so you don't have to stand outside in the snow and rain),
telling who I want to see, and then having someone come and escort me
in. I think I had to sign in and out to just drop off my program
letter for one of my gliders last year. Guess this time I will use
the US Mail. Just as impersonal as the visit was (because of the
changes) and cheaper, too.
....
Steve Leonard


I have worked in a building with this kind of security for the last 14
years. The difference is that it is in private industry. I forget
that other citizens are not used to carrying mulitple pass-cards and
keys to get into their place of business.

Visitors never come to our site unannounced. The guard would never
let them past the gate at the perimeter, and no one has attempted to
cross the 3meter high fences topped with razor wire....

Maybe government is finally catching up to the rest of us.

I am just happy that this kind of security is not required at small GA
airports and gliderports....yet.

Terrill

Earlier, (Terrill D. Willard) wrote:

...The difference is that it is in private industry...

Yes, that's a very big difference. Private buildings are operated
completely at the discretion of their private owners and operators.

On the other hand, government buildings are operated by our
government; a government that is of the people, for the people, and by
the people.

Bob K.

On 2/13/04 1:45 PM, in article
, "Bob Kuykendall"
wrote:

On the other hand, government buildings are operated by our
government; a government that is of the people, for the people,
and by the people.

[smirk, smirk]


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Jack
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"Terrill D. Willard" wrote in message
om...
(Steve) wrote in message
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The thing I find most unusual is that the biggest precautions seem to
be at government offices. I cannot even go in to the Wichita FSDO
without calling them (at least they did put a phone inside the first
set of doors so you don't have to stand outside in the snow and rain),
telling who I want to see, and then having someone come and escort me
in. I think I had to sign in and out to just drop off my program
letter for one of my gliders last year. Guess this time I will use
the US Mail. Just as impersonal as the visit was (because of the
changes) and cheaper, too.
...
Steve Leonard


I have worked in a building with this kind of security for the last 14
years. The difference is that it is in private industry. I forget
that other citizens are not used to carrying mulitple pass-cards and
keys to get into their place of business.

Visitors never come to our site unannounced. The guard would never
let them past the gate at the perimeter, and no one has attempted to
cross the 3meter high fences topped with razor wire....

Maybe government is finally catching up to the rest of us.

I am just happy that this kind of security is not required at small GA
airports and gliderports....yet.

Terrill
It's in progress at some airports. At the Government Liason presentation at
the convention, it was suggested that glider operators become proactive to
avert regulatory action; security audit, locked hangars, security officer,
etc.

Frank Whiteley