![]() |
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
I have always had problems in getting the first main wing pin started.
Recently I did some checking and found that not all main wing pins are created equal. Some come with generous tapered ends and others come with a very sharp slope or no taper at all. My Genesis 2, for example has a 4:1 taper while most Schempp-Hirth equipment will be sporting a generous 10:1 taper. I reasoned the 10:1 slope would make it much easier to get that troublesome first pin started. I slid one pin into the fork end of my spar as it sat in the trailer and found it went completely through the spar and stuck out the back by a good inch. Idea, why can't I grind a more generous tapered end onto one of my main wing pins? I would grind only on the part that extends out the backside of the spar. What could that hurt? I removed the handle and chucked the pin into my drill press. Then I turned ot on and held a hand grinder, also running, against the whirling pin in the area where I wished to extend the taper. Followed that up with a file, then some sand paper and finally emery cloth. It came out shinny and bright and looked like the factory had done it right in the first place. Result, I am now able to get my newly tapered pin started with ease. I carefully align the forked wing then secure the tip with a 4 legged wing stand (step ladder with legs shortened to correct height) + a bungee strap. The tonged wing is then inserted and the lateral adjustment of my UDO tool is left floating. I insert a 12 inch stick (broom handle) into the right pin holes and force the two wings together by applying an inward force on the broom handle. Next I check for height alignment of the other pin holes and adjust for perfect alignment by pumping my foot operated fuselage jack (hydraulic). When the holes are exactly right, I apply a bit of grease inside where the two bushings meet and also a tad of grease on the tapered end of my modified pin. While pulling inward on my broom handle, I shove my properly tapered pin in. You know what? It works! The gentle tapered pin self aligns the two bushings and in she goes. Flew 3.5 hours on Thursday and the wings didn't fall off, so my grinding on the main wing pin must have been all right. :) JJ |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Be sure to remove and secure the broom handle. Around this time of year,
they have been seen flying around - unmanned. Colin K7FM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/04 |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
I did something similar for my ASW 20 years ago, by adding a 1"
extension to one pin to make the tapered portion longer. It helped just as JJ describes. Nowadays, a good alternative is the eccentric cam tool available from Cobra. You put the tool in a pin hole on one side, turn it 90 degrees to draw the wings together and align them, place a wing pin in the other hole, remove the tool and put in the second pin. I use it occasionally on my ASH 26 E when I don't get the things quite right the first time, as it's quicker and easier me than fiddling with my particular set of dollies and wings. You can make your own easily if you can machine things, as a friend did for me before the Cobra unit was available. JJ Sinclair wrote: I have always had problems in getting the first main wing pin started. Recently I did some checking and found that not all main wing pins are created equal. Some come with generous tapered ends and others come with a very sharp slope or no taper at all. My Genesis 2, for example has a 4:1 taper while most Schempp-Hirth equipment will be sporting a generous 10:1 taper. I reasoned the 10:1 slope would make it much easier to get that troublesome first pin started. snip -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Thanks, JJ, for finally doing what some of us have been talking about
for years; i.e., grinding a longer taper on the main pins. I've been a solo rigging advocate since the early '80s so I deal with this every time I fly. The pins on my LS-3 had a nice long taper; if the wings were anywhere close, I could usually pull them into alignment with a main pin. Not so for my ASW 24, the main pins of which have a very short taper requiring the wings to be aligned much more closely before they can be inserted to snug everything together. So I, too, occasionally need a little help. My "broomstick" is a little higher tech than JJ's, being made out of Delrin or Nylon. But the function is the same. The Libelle 301 and 201 did it right way back in the mid to late '60s: an over-center "wrench" that used metal pins embedded in the top of the wing spars to lever the wings together the last few centimeters. Sometimes "progress" takes us in the wrong direction. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Chip Bearden wrote:
The Libelle 301 and 201 did it right way back in the mid to late '60s: an over-center "wrench" that used metal pins embedded in the top of the wing spars to lever the wings together the last few centimeters. Sometimes "progress" takes us in the wrong direction. The lever was almost a necessity, due to the multiple pins on the ends of the spars that had fit into the sockets on the wing. What made the system work well wasn't so much the lever as the access: without a turtle deck, you could see the pins' alignment and guide the person on the wing tip. It might take more careful alignment to get the pins into a Schleicher glider, but at least pushing in the second wing doesn't push out the first one. If you like using a tool, a Schliecher glider can have it's wings pulled together just as quickly and easily as the Libelle with Cobra's eccentric wing pin tool. It does take an extra moment to put in two pins instead of one, but it's better than fighting multiple spar end pins that you can't see. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Eric Greenwell wrote in message ...
Chip Bearden wrote: The Libelle 301 and 201 did it right way back in the mid to late '60s: an over-center "wrench" that used metal pins embedded in the top of the wing spars to lever the wings together the last few centimeters. Sometimes "progress" takes us in the wrong direction. The lever was almost a necessity, due to the multiple pins on the ends of the spars that had fit into the sockets on the wing. What made the system work well wasn't so much the lever as the access: without a turtle deck, you could see the pins' alignment and guide the person on the wing tip. It might take more careful alignment to get the pins into a Schleicher glider, but at least pushing in the second wing doesn't push out the first one. If you like using a tool, a Schliecher glider can have it's wings pulled together just as quickly and easily as the Libelle with Cobra's eccentric wing pin tool. It does take an extra moment to put in two pins instead of one, but it's better than fighting multiple spar end pins that you can't see. Good point. Access to the Libelle pins was superb without the fuselage structure over the wings that modern gliders have today. I agree that the wrench was a near necessity with all the pins and sockets. For those who haven't assembled one: each spar end--a forked double spar on one wing and a single spar tongue on the other wing--has a pin that fits into a socket in the opposite wing. On the other hand, I recall assembling my father's Diamant HBV, the 15M version that used Libelle 301 wings with a more conventional fuselage design (i.e., the area above the wing spars was enclosed). Once we learned a few tricks, that became straightforward...so long as we had the wrench. I also recall that a few other early fiberglass gliders had similar wrenches. Possibly even the later Diamants (16.5 and 18m versions) which used a wing pin design a little more similar to today's types. The Cobra eccentric wing pin tool sounds like an interesting alternative to the over-center wrench. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Chip Bearden wrote:
I also recall that a few other early fiberglass gliders had similar wrenches. Possibly even the later Diamants (16.5 and 18m versions) which used a wing pin design a little more similar to today's types. The PIK 20 (at least the E model) had one. Same situation, I think: with pins on the ends of the spar butts, it takes some levering to get every thing to slide together that last 2-3 mm so the pin can be slid in. The Cobra eccentric wing pin tool sounds like an interesting alternative to the over-center wrench. The pilots that have them say it is slick, making it easy for one person to assemble without a lot of running back and forth. For Schleicher and gliders with a similar wing pin system, it's actually better than a lever, because it tends to align the holes instead of just drawing the wings together. My cheaper, home-made, but similar tool works almost as well, but the Cobra tool is a better design out of better materials. I'd buy one if I didn't already have mine, since I self-rig 95% of the time. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
![]() "Eric Greenwell" wrote in message ... Chip Bearden wrote: I also recall that a few other early fiberglass gliders had similar wrenches. Possibly even the later Diamants (16.5 and 18m versions) which used a wing pin design a little more similar to today's types. The PIK 20 (at least the E model) had one. Same situation, I think: with pins on the ends of the spar butts, it takes some levering to get every thing to slide together that last 2-3 mm so the pin can be slid in. The Cobra eccentric wing pin tool sounds like an interesting alternative to the over-center wrench. The pilots that have them say it is slick, making it easy for one person to assemble without a lot of running back and forth. For Schleicher and gliders with a similar wing pin system, it's actually better than a lever, because it tends to align the holes instead of just drawing the wings together. My cheaper, home-made, but similar tool works almost as well, but the Cobra tool is a better design out of better materials. I'd buy one if I didn't already have mine, since I self-rig 95% of the time. Thought one of the PIK-20 issues was fuselage expansion in warmer. That above 70F it got very difficult. Frank |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
F.L. Whiteley wrote:
The PIK 20 (at least the E model) had one. Same situation, I think: with pins on the ends of the spar butts, it takes some levering to get every thing to slide together that last 2-3 mm so the pin can be slid in. Thought one of the PIK-20 issues was fuselage expansion in warmer. That above 70F it got very difficult. I don't know if it was common on PIKs, but can happen to almost any glider. The most recent one I saw was on a Nimbus 4. The lever on the PIK wasn't used to overcome the expansion issue, a manufacturing issue, which usually is fixed by increasing the gap between the wing sockets and the fuselage pins (or vice versa), as it was on the Nimbus 4. Sometimes it's just a shim that needs to be removed; sometimes the pin shoulder needs a few mils machined off of it. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
The Cobra tool works like a charm.
It's just a wingpin-diameter cylinder with a ~1/3 wingpin-diameter cylinder sticking off the end of it, offset to the outer edge of the larger cylinder. You simply insert it through the fork bushing with the offset to the inside so it can engage the tounge bushing and twist 180 degrees. It uses a wide contact area and is made from nylon, so the likelihood of scoring the bushings in minimal. I would think it would be fairly easy to make one for someone with access to a decent machine shop, but Cobra charged me 85 Euros, so it depends what your time's worth. In the past I've seen people using steel pry-bar tools, which scare the heck out of me. 9B At 18:42 25 October 2004, Eric Greenwell wrote: Chip Bearden wrote: I also recall that a few other early fiberglass gliders had similar wrenches. Possibly even the later Diamants (16.5 and 18m versions) which used a wing pin design a little more similar to today's types. The PIK 20 (at least the E model) had one. Same situation, I think: with pins on the ends of the spar butts, it takes some levering to get every thing to slide together that last 2-3 mm so the pin can be slid in. The Cobra eccentric wing pin tool sounds like an interesting alternative to the over-center wrench. The pilots that have them say it is slick, making it easy for one person to assemble without a lot of running back and forth. For Schleicher and gliders with a similar wing pin system, it's actually better than a lever, because it tends to align the holes instead of just drawing the wings together. My cheaper, home-made, but similar tool works almost as well, but the Cobra tool is a better design out of better materials. I'd buy one if I didn't already have mine, since I self-rig 95% of the time. -- Change 'netto' to 'net' to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Mooney Engine Problems in Flight | Paul Smedshammer | Piloting | 45 | December 18th 04 09:40 AM |
Chaplains urge couples to attend retreat to solve problems, By Kent Harris, Stars and Stripes | Otis Willie | Military Aviation | 0 | May 31st 04 03:46 AM |
F22 Problems | Paul F Austin | Military Aviation | 9 | February 5th 04 02:27 AM |
FS: or trade - Scott "Executive II" O2 tank assembly near ATL | Mike Patterson | Aviation Marketplace | 0 | January 27th 04 04:07 PM |
And they say the automated Weather Station problems "ASOS" are insignificant because only light aircraft need Weather Observations and forecasts... | Roy | Piloting | 4 | July 12th 03 04:03 PM |