Helios 737 crashed with student pilot at controls - from Google News

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...+controls.html

I dunno...but this story's hard to believe....

Frankie

After Airport I, II, III etc. etc. everybody knows any crew member with
a few simple directions from the ground can land a passenger jet on a
CVN.

Seriously, the autopsies show the passengers were alive and probably
unconscious so it isn't beyond the possibility that a steward went into
the cabin to ask what was happening and then tried to do something. The
question that needs answering is where was the pilot and what was he
doing.The actual cause of the crash was running out of fuel.

"Frankie" wrote in message
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I dunno...but this story's hard to believe....

Frankie

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http://www.flightinternational.com/A...+controls.html

The old "string of bad decisions". Incredible!!

In article 6s7Oe.3982$Hi.3468@trnddc04, "sfb" wrote:

Seriously, the autopsies show the passengers were alive and probably
unconscious so it isn't beyond the possibility that a steward went into
the cabin to ask what was happening and then tried to do something.

Yes, but it seems unlikely that he could (or would) have flown a holding
pattern.

rg

The story I heard was that the Flight Attendant tried to fly the plane
after the 1st officer fell asleep. The flight attendant was the Cessna
pilot, the 1st officer was (I assume) fully qualified in the 737 (when
awake). The captain was AWOL.

sfb wrote:
/snip/ The
question that needs answering is where was the pilot and what was he
doing.The actual cause of the crash was running out of fuel.

"Frankie" wrote in message
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I dunno...but this story's hard to believe....

Frankie

It does strike me as strange that if the aircraft ran out of fuel, there
was a postcrash fire big enough to need helicopter water drops to stop
it. I can envision small blazes caused by a few gallons of unuseable
fuel, but I gotta wonder...

Scott

The story I heard was that the Flight Attendant tried to fly the plane
after the 1st officer fell asleep.

How would they know this?

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Article says "air stewerd".. is that their version of a flight attendant?

Sounds plausible... he would have access to the portable medical tank.

He would have half a clue on trying to run things (though probably not
enough of one).

Says the engines flamed out from lack of fuel... where'd the fire come
from then?

Dave

Frankie wrote:
I dunno...but this story's hard to believe....

Frankie

Ron Garret wrote:



Yes, but it seems unlikely that he could (or would) have flown a holding
pattern.

rg

The FMS entered the hold after overflying the destination at altitude.
Sounds like it flew the lateral part of an approach, missed approach and
hold.

Dave