Under the heading of Truly Weird

Betcha can't top this one:

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4022990&nav=23Ku

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote:
Betcha can't top this one:

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4022990&nav=23Ku

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

How does one have an "expired" pilots license?

More info he

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...necrash25.html

Surgeon in trouble for removing son's body from plane crash

Police found debris of craft - no body

Thomas Ropp
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 25, 2005 12:00 AM

In a case federal aviation authorities describe as "one of the weirdest
ever," a Paradise Valley surgeon could face federal and state charges
after removing the body of his dead son from a plane crash.

Jacob Lundell, 21, died late Saturday afternoon while doing
touch-and-go maneuvers at the Casa Grande Municipal Airport, police
said.

His father, Dr. Mark Lundell, and a brother witnessed the crash,
authorities said.

Casa Grande police arrived a few minutes later to find the scene of an
obvious fatality - but no body.

"There was a lot of blood and even brain matter in the cockpit," Casa
Grande police Lt. Steve Cantrell said.

Officers said that a witness saw a red pickup truck pull up to the
crash site and that two men removed the body. When the witness asked
the men if he should call 911, the older man said no, they could handle
it, police said.

Case Grande police got the identifying N-number off the plane tail and
located a Paradise Valley address.

They contacted Paradise Valley police who arrived at the Lundell home
seconds before a red pickup pulled up with the body.

Larry Scott, assistant Paradise Valley police chief, said other family
members were present in the driveway, including Deborah Lundell, the
victim's mother.

"They were all in shock," Scott said.

Deborah Lundell told Channel 3 (KTVK) that her husband brought their
son's body home because "he knew my grieving, he knew my heartache; he
knew I needed to see him before they took him away."

Mark Lundell did the right thing in allowing the family to say goodbye,
she told the TV station.

"He may have legally not done the right thing, but morally he did the
right thing," she added.

The body was taken to the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office for
an autopsy.

Donn Walker of the FAA's Los Angeles regional office said their
investigator showed up shortly after the Casa Grande police and was
baffled.

"He called up and said we just had a plane crash but can't find the
body," Walker said. "It's one of the most bizarre things I've ever
heard."

Walker said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid
student pilot's certificate and that the plane, a 1961 Nord owned by
the Lundells, was not registered.

Walker said the FAA is investigating possible federal violations,
including the removal of the body from the crash site.

Andrea Esquer, a spokeswoman for the Arizona Attorney General's Office,
would not comment on the state's position, pending the outcome of the
probe by U.S. authorities.

There are several Arizona statutes that address such situations. One
requires that human body cannot be removed from the scene of a
suspicious death unless a county medical examiner gives permission.

The Lundells have five children. They have appeared in newspaper
articles in connection with their love of flying.

When contacted by The Arizona Republic, the family declined to comment

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How does one have an "expired" pilots license?


I'm always highly suspicious of articles like this one. You note they threw the
word "stalled" out there, but then they used it in reference to the engine. So
which was it? Did the engine quit or did the aircraft stall?

I'd expect the "expired license" referred to is actually his medical. No doubt
that was the cause of this accident.

When the NTSB says it is against the law to remove anything from a plane crash,
I doubt that includes bodies. Of course, I don't really understand why the
family didn't leave the pilot's body where it lay... unless it was in danger of
burning. A little odd...

I really wish they'd run the text of articles like this past their helicopter
pilot to see if it makes sense, aviation-wise, *before* they air it. It's
obvious they're clueless about flying.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

On 25 Oct 2005 21:55:53 -0700, wrote in
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There are several Arizona statutes that address such situations. One
requires that human body cannot be removed from the scene of a
suspicious death unless a county medical examiner gives permission.

What is the legal definition of a "suspicious death"? Is it just
short of suspected homicide? If so, I fail to see how that would
apply in this case.

Walker said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid
student pilot's certificate and that the plane, a 1961 Nord owned by
the Lundells, was not registered.

Sounds to me like the distraught doctor/father/aircraft owner is going to be
answering some hard questions.

Like, why was he allowing his son -- apparently not a pilot -- to fly an
unregistered aircraft?

Something smells here.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Surgeon in trouble for removing son's body from plane crash

Police found debris of craft - no body

Thomas Ropp
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 25, 2005 12:00 AM

SNIP
Case Grande police got the identifying N-number off the plane tail and
located a Paradise Valley address.

SNIP
Walker said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid
student pilot's certificate and that the plane, a 1961 Nord owned by
the Lundells, was not registered.



If the aircraft wasn't registered how did they tie it to a Paradise Valley
address?

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:05:05 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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Like, why was he allowing his son -- apparently not a pilot -- to fly an
unregistered aircraft?

The son was not a minor.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:27:44 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:


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Surgeon in trouble for removing son's body from plane crash

Police found debris of craft - no body

Thomas Ropp
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 25, 2005 12:00 AM

SNIP
Case Grande police got the identifying N-number off the plane tail and
located a Paradise Valley address.

SNIP
Walker said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid
student pilot's certificate and that the plane, a 1961 Nord owned by
the Lundells, was not registered.



If the aircraft wasn't registered how did they tie it to a Paradise Valley
address?

Start asking FBOs in the area if it's based there and then see where
the tidedown bills etc are being mailed?

For something like an aircraft there's always a paper trail (hangar
bills, maintenance records, etc), it's just a matter of how long it
takes to track through it.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:05:05 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
5aL7f.472413$x96.177672@attbi_s72::

Like, why was he allowing his son -- apparently not a pilot -- to fly an
unregistered aircraft?

The son was not a minor.


I know what you mean but, the aircraft was apparently owned by the father so
unless you have reason to believe the son stole it the father did, in fact,
ALLOW his son to fly it.