CFI practical test - aircraft required

I am sure this subject has been brought up before (why? because the
answer is not immediately obvious in the FARs) but I'd appreciate
some input from the knowledge base.

I'm close to scheduling my CFI checkride (practical teat to be precise)
and although I've always assumed it had to be performed in a complex
airplane (and have been doing all the right seat flying in one), I can
not find a direct refrence in part 61 as to the requirement for such an
airplane. The most pertinent references I can find refer to training
and logging PIC in ".. the category and class of aircraft that is
appropriate to the flight instructor rating being sought".

This sort of reference appears several times throughout 61.185 but I
never see a direct reference to a "complex" airplane. So my question,
and that raised by my instructor today (gold seal BTW) is where did
this come from? He assured me he did his CFI checkride in a 152...

Any comments [and FAR references] are appreciated.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:50 GMT, kontiki
wrote:

I am sure this subject has been brought up before (why? because the
answer is not immediately obvious in the FARs) but I'd appreciate
some input from the knowledge base.

I'm close to scheduling my CFI checkride (practical teat to be precise)
and although I've always assumed it had to be performed in a complex
airplane (and have been doing all the right seat flying in one), I can
not find a direct refrence in part 61 as to the requirement for such an
airplane. The most pertinent references I can find refer to training
and logging PIC in ".. the category and class of aircraft that is
appropriate to the flight instructor rating being sought".

This sort of reference appears several times throughout 61.185 but I
never see a direct reference to a "complex" airplane. So my question,
and that raised by my instructor today (gold seal BTW) is where did
this come from? He assured me he did his CFI checkride in a 152...

Any comments [and FAR references] are appreciated.

It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under "Aircraft
and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A complex airplane
must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing
maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")

I would expect that since CFIs can give complex/HP endorsements, it's
not unreasonable to have the CFI-ASEL checkride be conducted in such
an aircraft.

Peter Clark wrote:

It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under "Aircraft
and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A complex airplane
must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing
maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")

I just noticed that... in fact, it references 61.45 which is not in my
ASA FAR/AIM. I also states that a complex airplane is only required for
the take-off and landings portion of the practical test.

I would expect that since CFIs can give complex/HP endorsements, it's
not unreasonable to have the CFI-ASEL checkride be conducted in such
an aircraft.

I agree with this philosophy and mentioned that to him at the time.
No big deal, I was planning to use a complex airplane anyway, I was
just trying to find the exact reference.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:24:08 GMT, kontiki
wrote:

Peter Clark wrote:

It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under "Aircraft
and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A complex airplane
must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing
maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")

I just noticed that... in fact, it references 61.45 which is not in my
ASA FAR/AIM. I also states that a complex airplane is only required for
the take-off and landings portion of the practical test.

No biggie. I'm doing the same thing for my CP-AMEL, twin for the
initial commercial and then a 172 for the ASEL addon since the complex
stuff is covered by the ME.

kontiki wrote:

Peter Clark wrote:

It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under "Aircraft
and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A complex airplane
must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing
maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")


I just noticed that... in fact, it references 61.45 which is not in my
ASA FAR/AIM. I also states that a complex airplane is only required for
the take-off and landings portion of the practical test.

Actually, I just founf 61.45 in the FAR/AIN, it was just out of order. Anyway,
while not explicity stated, the requirement comes from 61.45(b)(1)(i)

Thanks for the input... now I have an answer for my instructor. hehe

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:24:08 GMT, kontiki
wrote:

Peter Clark wrote:

It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under "Aircraft
and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A complex airplane
must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and landing
maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")

I just noticed that... in fact, it references 61.45 which is not in my
ASA FAR/AIM. I also states that a complex airplane is only required for
the take-off and landings portion of the practical test.

No biggie. I'm doing the same thing for my CP-AMEL, twin for the
initial commercial and then a 172 for the ASEL addon since the complex
stuff is covered by the ME.

Don't forget the Examiner can request any task for any certificate or rating
you hold!

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
Don't forget the Examiner can request any task for any certificate or
rating
you hold!

Since when?

You also need an airplane available that can be legally
spun.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Peter Clark"
wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:07:50 GMT, kontiki

| wrote:
|
| I am sure this subject has been brought up before (why?
because the
| answer is not immediately obvious in the FARs) but I'd
appreciate
| some input from the knowledge base.
|
| I'm close to scheduling my CFI checkride (practical teat
to be precise)
| and although I've always assumed it had to be performed
in a complex
| airplane (and have been doing all the right seat flying
in one), I can
| not find a direct refrence in part 61 as to the
requirement for such an
| airplane. The most pertinent references I can find refer
to training
| and logging PIC in ".. the category and class of aircraft
that is
| appropriate to the flight instructor rating being
sought".
|
| This sort of reference appears several times throughout
61.185 but I
| never see a direct reference to a "complex" airplane. So
my question,
| and that raised by my instructor today (gold seal BTW) is
where did
| this come from? He assured me he did his CFI checkride in
a 152...
|
| Any comments [and FAR references] are appreciated.
|
| It's enumerated in the PTS - top of page 9 (bullet 3 under
"Aircraft
| and Equipment Required for the Practical Test" - "A
complex airplane
| must be furnished for the performance of takeoff and
landing
| maneuvers, and appropriate emergency procedures.")
|
| I would expect that since CFIs can give complex/HP
endorsements, it's
| not unreasonable to have the CFI-ASEL checkride be
conducted in such
| an aircraft.

Not true.


On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 19:28:26 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

You also need an airplane available that can be legally
spun.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

Jim Macklin wrote:
You also need an airplane available that can be legally
spun.

Only if you're required to do spins on the checkride.