Airspace Violations OLC

The OLC organizers have to assume that the participants in the contest will
not violate restricted airspace during their flights. ATC clearances are
necessary to enter certain airspace. The OLC team will not check if a pilot
has obtained the necessary clearance to enter airspace which needs ATC
clearance. This is not within our competences and responsibilities. However,
if we get to know that there has been an obvious violation of airspace then
we reserve the right to carry out special actions against that pilot and his
participation in the OLC. Of course every pilot is allowed to contact other
pilots in case of a potential airspace violation.

With the above on the OLC website it beyond me why pilots would post IGC
files showing airspace violations on the OLC

Gliders can not get clearance to this Class C Airspace

Are they normally kicked off the OLC ?

Mal wrote:

Gliders can not get clearance to this Class C Airspace

I regularly get them. (Maybe not to "this" airspace, but to some.)

Stefan

The only airspace a glider can't get a clearance for, should be class A
(IFR only).

How would you explain wave windows. I think you will find clearance
could be granted for most any airspace except prohibited, with
clearance into class B being the hardest to obtain.

"stephanevdv" wrote in message
oups.com...
The only airspace a glider can't get a clearance for, should be class A
(IFR only).


There is nothing in the regulations that prohibits a clearance into Class A
except that the aircraft must be properly equipped, the pilot must hold the
proper certificates and be current. There are several US pilots that
routinely fly XC in Class A airspace.

I have had local pilots tell me that when flying with a transponder and
utilizing "Flight Following" (US rough equivalent of 'Controlled VFR'),
enroute controllers have CONTACTED THEM offering clearance into Class A
airspace when it appeared that a thermal climb would reach 18,000 feet.

That's a pretty good incentive to get a transponder.

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels wrote:

There is nothing in the regulations that prohibits a clearance into Class A

The ICAO definition of class A is "IFR only". (Each country is free to
add some local rules to the standard airspace classification, though.)

utilizing "Flight Following" (US rough equivalent of 'Controlled VFR'),

I'm not American, but as far as I think to have understood, one of the
most common misunderstandings among US pilots is that "flight following"
means "controlled flight", while it is just a plain uncontrolled flight
with some advisories.

Stefan

Class C Australian airspace.

Remembering that even Class D Australian airspace is treated like Class
B in the USA.
Jim

With the above on the OLC website it beyond me why
pilots would post IGC
files showing airspace violations on the OLC

Gliders can not get clearance to this Class C Airspace

Are they normally kicked off the OLC?


Soaring should not promote busting FAR's(USA) or whatever
they are called around the world. On the other hand,
we pay taxes to our government(s) to enforce rules.
So if you feel like enforcing them yourself...I suppose
no one is stopping you. I certainly think the OLC
has better things to do.


Why does this feel like a debate on illegal immigration
in the US?

Stewart Kissel wrote:
they are called around the world. On the other hand,
we pay taxes to our government(s) to enforce rules.
So if you feel like enforcing them yourself...I suppose
no one is stopping you. I certainly think the OLC
has better things to do.

It's up to ALL OF US to keep an eye on flight claims and attempt to
contact the person making a questionable claim. Ask them to add a
comment to the flight explaining the discrepancy, or withdraw the
flight. If they refuse, and it's an obvious bust, then submit a
"complaint" to the OLC.

Especially in the USA, we have tremendous freedom of flight. Let's not
allow some thoughtless claims to provide data for the FAA or anyone
else wishing to take away our freedom.

-Tom