SR-71 Presentation -- Reminder & Last Chance

To those of you who have reserved a seat for Bill Fox's talk about his years
working as a project manager at the Lockheed Skunk Works during the
development of the SR-71 Blackbird (7 PM tomorrow -- Tuesday -- night),
please arrive around 6:30 PM. Seating is limited and by reservation only,
so please (for a change!) don't bring a bunch of friends.

HOWEVER -- due to a couple of last-minute cancellations, we do have TWO
seats available. If you're at all interested in hearing Bill's talk, please
email me ASAP at The talk will be held in our
small theater (in lieu of "Movie Night") inside the Alexis Park Inn &
Suites, 1165 S. Riverside Drive, Iowa City, IA 52246

Bill is a fascinating guy. If you've ever wondered about ANYTHING to do
with the SR-71, or the inner workings of the Skunk Works, or Area 51 (he
went on to run the super-secret Groom Lake facility later in his career),
this is your chance.

Blue skies!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay

Believe I asked you this question before but you didn't have the
chance to ask Bill.

A friend (?) of mine here in Houston was on a console when the Shuttle
blew up after launch. He said that a '71 was also lost because the
shuttle fuel burned all the oxy out of air in a large area and '71
flamed out and crashed.

I never was able to validate this story. When you see Fox please ask
him if it is true (I don't think so as ascent trajectory is kept clear
of aircraft for safety on launches).

Would love to hear his stories but am to far away and don't travel
well any more.

Be sure the flags are up this Memorial Day for those who are no
longer with us.

Big John
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On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:34:13 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

To those of you who have reserved a seat for Bill Fox's talk about his years
working as a project manager at the Lockheed Skunk Works during the
development of the SR-71 Blackbird (7 PM tomorrow -- Tuesday -- night),
please arrive around 6:30 PM. Seating is limited and by reservation only,
so please (for a change!) don't bring a bunch of friends.

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Big John wrote:

Jay

Believe I asked you this question before but you didn't have the
chance to ask Bill.

A friend (?) of mine here in Houston was on a console when the Shuttle
blew up after launch. He said that a '71 was also lost because the
shuttle fuel burned all the oxy out of air in a large area and '71
flamed out and crashed.

You mean an SR-71 allegedly flew through the area the shuttle had just
flown through? Or did I missinterpret what you wrote above.

If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is urban
legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel. You don't
see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really doubt it
depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.


Matt

Matt Whiting writes:

If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is
urban legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel.
You don't see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really
doubt it depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.

The shuttle certainly doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen, no. On the
other hand, it produces high volumes of combustion products, and I
wouldn't be shocked to discover the reaction hasn't gone to
completion, and the stuff left reacts with the air in some way or
other.

Or at least, I'd want expert advice before I walked into a cloud of
the stuff :-).
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In article ,
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Matt Whiting writes:

If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is
urban legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel.
You don't see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really
doubt it depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.

The shuttle certainly doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen, no. On the
other hand, it produces high volumes of combustion products, and I
wouldn't be shocked to discover the reaction hasn't gone to
completion, and the stuff left reacts with the air in some way or
other.

Or at least, I'd want expert advice before I walked into a cloud of
the stuff :-).

The space shuttle burns hydrogen. Its only combustion product is water
vapor.

rg

Ron Garret wrote:
In article ,
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Matt Whiting writes:

If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is
urban legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel.
You don't see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really
doubt it depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.

The shuttle certainly doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen, no. On the
other hand, it produces high volumes of combustion products, and I
wouldn't be shocked to discover the reaction hasn't gone to
completion, and the stuff left reacts with the air in some way or
other.

Or at least, I'd want expert advice before I walked into a cloud of
the stuff :-).

The space shuttle burns hydrogen. Its only combustion product is
water vapor.

The boosters burn solid fuel. I'm not sure what the combustion products
are, but I suspect that they are not particularly healthy.

regards,
Friedrich

--
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Ron Garret writes:

In article ,
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Matt Whiting writes:

If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is
urban legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel.
You don't see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really
doubt it depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.

The shuttle certainly doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen, no. On the
other hand, it produces high volumes of combustion products, and I
wouldn't be shocked to discover the reaction hasn't gone to
completion, and the stuff left reacts with the air in some way or
other.

Or at least, I'd want expert advice before I walked into a cloud of
the stuff :-).

The space shuttle burns hydrogen. Its only combustion product is water
vapor.

During launch, they are also burning the solid boosters.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
RKBA: http://www.dd-b.net/carry/
Pics: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: http://dragaera.info/

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
You mean an SR-71 allegedly flew through the area the shuttle had just
flown through? Or did I missinterpret what you wrote above.

The way I read the original message, it was the explosion that consumed the
oxygen, not the normal combustion of the fuel. That is, when the Shuttle
exploded, the hydrogen fuel tanks (contained within the main fuel tank)
released their contents, the hydrogen subsequently burned all at once,
consuming enough oxygen in the area to cause the SR-71 engine problem.

So, the normal operation of the Shuttle rocket engines isn't relevant to
that question.

It still sounds like BS to me. I doubt that any oxygen-poor area would
exist beyond the visible area of smoke left from the explosion, and so the
SR-71 pilot would have had to fly through a visible area of contamination.
Either there's one really dumb SR-71 pilot out there (hardly seems likely),
or the story is just a fabrication.

Pete

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

Matt Whiting writes:


If that is the case, then I'm about 99% certain that the above is
urban legend as the shuttle carries its own oxidizer for its fuel.
You don't see air intakes anywhere on the shuttle do you? I really
doubt it depletes the atmosphere of oxygen in any significant way.


The shuttle certainly doesn't burn atmospheric oxygen, no. On the
other hand, it produces high volumes of combustion products, and I
wouldn't be shocked to discover the reaction hasn't gone to
completion, and the stuff left reacts with the air in some way or
other.

Or at least, I'd want expert advice before I walked into a cloud of
the stuff :-).

Oh, no doubt. But at the speed an SR-71 flies, it would spend at most a
few milliseconds in the exhaust remnants of the shuttle. I find it very
hard to believe that this would bring down an SR-71. It'll be curious
to see what Jay finds out when he asks the expert.

Matt

BTW, they have an SR 71 in the lobby of the Cosmosphere in
Hutchinson, Kansas and you can walk up and touch it. It is
under going a restoration, but is pretty complete.
http://www.cosmo.org/ It is just a few miles west of the
airport KHUT on 11th Street.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:9TBeg.753493$084.540702@attbi_s22...
| To those of you who have reserved a seat for Bill Fox's
talk about his years
| working as a project manager at the Lockheed Skunk Works
during the
| development of the SR-71 Blackbird (7 PM tomorrow --
Tuesday -- night),
| please arrive around 6:30 PM. Seating is limited and by
reservation only,
| so please (for a change!) don't bring a bunch of friends.
|
| HOWEVER -- due to a couple of last-minute cancellations,
we do have TWO
| seats available. If you're at all interested in hearing
Bill's talk, please
| email me ASAP at The talk will
be held in our
| small theater (in lieu of "Movie Night") inside the Alexis
Park Inn &
| Suites, 1165 S. Riverside Drive, Iowa City, IA 52246
|
| Bill is a fascinating guy. If you've ever wondered about
ANYTHING to do
| with the SR-71, or the inner workings of the Skunk Works,
or Area 51 (he
| went on to run the super-secret Groom Lake facility later
in his career),
| this is your chance.
|
| Blue skies!
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|
|