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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
Of course the AOPA disagrees and I completely understand the slippery slope
but let's face it the little plane should have no problem flying under the TFR and the big planes should have no problem flying over or under it. Since it looks like we are going to have to deal with UAV in the future we are going to have to do something and a altitude block tha is reasonable seems like it might be the best idea. FAA establishes 300 nm-long TFR on southern U.S. border The FAA has established a "temporary" flight restriction (TFR) along the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona and New Mexico. The TFR is in effect from 12,000 to 14,000 feet and is active from 5 p.m. until 7 a.m. daily. What makes it so ominous is its size and duration. The 300 nm-long corridor, 17-nm wide in most places, is to prevent U.S. Customs and Border Patrol unmanned surveillance aircraft (UAVs) from colliding with other civilian aircraft. |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
You are probably correct for those of us that cross frequently. You can
only legally cross Northbound during business hours because you have to meet the boarder guys at the U.S. airport. Night flying in Mexico is also illegal for single engine planes. However, there are some people who lives along the boarder who may find it more bothersome in their daily domestic flying. -Robert |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:
Of course the AOPA disagrees and I completely understand the slippery slope but let's face it the little plane should have no problem flying under the TFR and the big planes should have no problem flying over or under it. Since it looks like we are going to have to deal with UAV in the future we are going to have to do something and a altitude block tha is reasonable seems like it might be the best idea. I don't fly in that area but I don't see the problem. Even I can fly over it. Did I read a NOTAM properly that states you can enter it with a squawk code and talking to ATC? Ron Lee |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... You are probably correct for those of us that cross frequently. You can only legally cross Northbound during business hours because you have to meet the boarder guys at the U.S. airport. Night flying in Mexico is also illegal for single engine planes. However, there are some people who lives along the boarder who may find it more bothersome in their daily domestic flying. -Robert It will somewhat bothersome but I just don't think it is something that the AOPA should spend its political capital on. This will not effect 99.99999% of the pilots in the country and those that it does are only going to have to delay there climb to altitude by a matter of minutes. If AOPA hangs it out in a fight over this they're going to have zero allies and some people who are normally allies of less government regulation are going to be against them because they want tight borders. |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
"Ron Lee" wrote in message ... "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote: Of course the AOPA disagrees and I completely understand the slippery slope but let's face it the little plane should have no problem flying under the TFR and the big planes should have no problem flying over or under it. Since it looks like we are going to have to deal with UAV in the future we are going to have to do something and a altitude block tha is reasonable seems like it might be the best idea. I don't fly in that area but I don't see the problem. Even I can fly over it. Did I read a NOTAM properly that states you can enter it with a squawk code and talking to ATC? Ron Lee I missed that but you are right. That makes it even less of a problem. Again the AOPA ought to say this is fine and in the interest of both national security and flight safety. |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:07:35 -0600, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in :: It will somewhat bothersome but I just don't think it is something that the AOPA should spend its political capital on. This will not effect 99.99999% of the pilots in the country and those that it does are only going to have to delay there climb to altitude by a matter of minutes. And what of the precedent, flying UAVs incapable of complying with see-and-avoid regulations, sets for future UAV operations in domestic airspace below 18,000'? How would you feel if the DHS decided it needed to employ UAVs for domestic spying throughout the country, and it resulted in a proliferation of TRFs? |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
Since they're probably spending ten bazillion dollars on each one, why not
make it eleven bazillion and put in a radar coupled to the autopilot (or whatever fancy name they use for it) and give the UAVs see-and-avoid capability? "Larry Dighera" wrote in message And what of the precedent, flying UAVs incapable of complying with see-and-avoid regulations, sets for future UAV operations in domestic airspace below 18,000'? How would you feel if the DHS decided it needed to employ UAVs for domestic spying throughout the country, and it resulted in a proliferation of TRFs? |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
Sure. Our society will accept no risk. All a radar guided UAV has to do
is come within a gazillion miles of an airliner and the Congress critters will be in full cry demanding investigations and heads to roll. "Steve Foley" wrote in message news:WKRBf.5391$Jn1.4145@trndny01... Since they're probably spending ten bazillion dollars on each one, why not make it eleven bazillion and put in a radar coupled to the autopilot (or whatever fancy name they use for it) and give the UAVs see-and-avoid capability? "Larry Dighera" wrote in message And what of the precedent, flying UAVs incapable of complying with see-and-avoid regulations, sets for future UAV operations in domestic airspace below 18,000'? How would you feel if the DHS decided it needed to employ UAVs for domestic spying throughout the country, and it resulted in a proliferation of TRFs? |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
I missed that but you are right. That makes it even less of a problem. Again the AOPA ought to say this is fine and in the interest of both national security and flight safety. I agree with you guys.. This is not the one to fight over. The only think I can think of is "precedence setting" and "slippery slope" with regards to AOPA's rationale in fighting this aggressively. Dave |
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Mexico Border TFR No that bad
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message ... Of course the AOPA disagrees and I completely understand the slippery slope but let's face it the little plane should have no problem flying under the TFR and the big planes should have no problem flying over or under it. Since it looks like we are going to have to deal with UAV in the future we are going to have to do something and a altitude block tha is reasonable seems like it might be the best idea. THIS TFR is "not that bad". How long before LAPD wants a UAV to loiter over L.A. ? FAA establishes 300 nm-long TFR on southern U.S. border Anyone know why the TFR is ONLY 300nm long and doesn't stretch the entire border of Mexico? We're pretty much telling the Mexicans exactly how to avoid the very UAV that's trying to detect them.... |
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