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It might interest some to know that:

HT-28 was established 01 NOV 2006 as a new helo training squadron at
Whiting Field.

VFC-13 Det Key West is _officially_ redesignationed VFC-111 (on 01 NOV
2006) and they're going to use the the patch & nickname of WW II's
VF-11 _The Sundowners_.

and last, but not least -

VFA-201 is to disestablished 30 JUN 2007.

Copies of the 3111 & 5450 notices have been posted he

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/newdirectives.aspx

MW

Of course, among us there are still ones who like to hear such news,
especially when including F/A-18 squadrons;-)

I wonder what finally happens with VFC-12... The Scramble site
(www.scramble.nl) lists them as "in due course to transition to F/A-18C
and redesignation to VFA".

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

Best regards,
Jacek Zemlo


Mike Weeks napisal(a):
It might interest some to know that:

HT-28 was established 01 NOV 2006 as a new helo training squadron at
Whiting Field.

VFC-13 Det Key West is _officially_ redesignationed VFC-111 (on 01 NOV
2006) and they're going to use the the patch & nickname of WW II's
VF-11 _The Sundowners_.

and last, but not least -

VFA-201 is to disestablished 30 JUN 2007.

Copies of the 3111 & 5450 notices have been posted he

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/newdirectives.aspx

MW

wrote:
Of course, among us there are still ones who like to hear such news,
especially when including F/A-18 squadrons;-)

I wonder what finally happens with VFC-12... The Scramble site
(www.scramble.nl) lists them as "in due course to transition to F/A-18C
and redesignation to VFA".

Reserve VFA squadron??

I thought the USN learned it's lesson about getting rid of adversary
squadrons..

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

Best regards,
Jacek Zemlo


Mike Weeks napisal(a):
It might interest some to know that:

HT-28 was established 01 NOV 2006 as a new helo training squadron at
Whiting Field.

VFC-13 Det Key West is _officially_ redesignationed VFC-111 (on 01 NOV
2006) and they're going to use the the patch & nickname of WW II's
VF-11 _The Sundowners_.

and last, but not least -

VFA-201 is to disestablished 30 JUN 2007.

Copies of the 3111 & 5450 notices have been posted he

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/newdirectives.aspx

MW

snip

Reserve VFA squadron??

I thought the USN learned it's lesson about getting rid of adversary
squadrons..

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

Best regards,
Jacek Zemlo


No, they don't learn. They have to have enough people KIA'd to remind
them. It always seems like when the budget gets cut back, Training is
the first thing to suffer. NAVAIR seems to forget, that despite the
lack of opposition in Iraq, there are a few Air Forces out there with
capable platforms and probably capable pilots. Hey even a dope can get
lucky once in a while.

Don McIntyre wrote:
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Reserve VFA squadron??

I thought the USN learned it's lesson about getting rid of adversary
squadrons..

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

Best regards,
Jacek Zemlo


No, they don't learn. They have to have enough people KIA'd to remind
them. It always seems like when the budget gets cut back, Training is
the first thing to suffer. NAVAIR seems to forget, that despite the
lack of opposition in Iraq, there are a few Air Forces out there with
capable platforms and probably capable pilots. Hey even a dope can get
lucky once in a while.

tell me about it, I was the next to the last CO of VF-126..

wrote:

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

I think that means no more _dedicated_ ASW missions. Just as VS went
from anti-submarine to sea control. The S-3s still did _some_ (or
little) ASW work.

All the fleet HS squadrons are going to become HSC, as have the HC
squardons. This is really going to be fun to keep straight.

"...Hey even a dope can get lucky once in a while...."

Or as we say down home, "Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in while"

WDA
NAVAIR Program Manager - 1966 to 1969

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"Don McIntyre" wrote in message
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Reserve VFA squadron??

I thought the USN learned it's lesson about getting rid of adversary
squadrons..

I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for
the squadron then). The link is great!

Best regards,
Jacek Zemlo


No, they don't learn. They have to have enough people KIA'd to remind
them. It always seems like when the budget gets cut back, Training is
the first thing to suffer. NAVAIR seems to forget, that despite the
lack of opposition in Iraq, there are a few Air Forces out there with
capable platforms and probably capable pilots. Hey even a dope can get
lucky once in a while.


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Is NAVAIR designating operational squadrons today? Half a century ago it was
NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT with that authority.

WDA
Former Fury [FJ-4B] Flyer

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"Mike Weeks" wrote in message
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It might interest some to know that:

HT-28 was established 01 NOV 2006 as a new helo training squadron at
Whiting Field.

VFC-13 Det Key West is _officially_ redesignationed VFC-111 (on 01 NOV
2006) and they're going to use the the patch & nickname of WW II's
VF-11 _The Sundowners_.

and last, but not least -

VFA-201 is to disestablished 30 JUN 2007.

Copies of the 3111 & 5450 notices have been posted he

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/newdirectives.aspx

MW


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Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e.,
VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and
patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established
one year ago.

It's Navy-wide (NAVAIR/OPNAV (AIR)?) regarding the redesignation of all
the operational helo squadrons -- one big, happy community w/ a basic
airframe in use.

In addition, it might be a way some folks are staying *employed* ...
g

W. D. Allen wrote:
Is NAVAIR designating operational squadrons today? Half a century ago it was
NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT with that authority.

WDA
Former Fury [FJ-4B] Flyer

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"Mike Weeks" wrote in message
ps.com...
It might interest some to know that:

HT-28 was established 01 NOV 2006 as a new helo training squadron at
Whiting Field.

VFC-13 Det Key West is _officially_ redesignationed VFC-111 (on 01 NOV
2006) and they're going to use the the patch & nickname of WW II's
VF-11 _The Sundowners_.

and last, but not least -

VFA-201 is to disestablished 30 JUN 2007.

Copies of the 3111 & 5450 notices have been posted he

http://doni.daps.dla.mil/newdirectives.aspx

MW


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Mike Weeks wrote:
Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e.,
VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and
patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established
one year ago.


Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think
it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . .
what a load of crap.

Rich