Ohio midair crash kills 3

There's still no information on the FAA web site:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...liminary_data/

Does anyone have any more information about this MAC:


http://robots.cnn.com/2007/US/05/11/....ap/index.html
SHARONVILLE, Ohio (AP) -- Two small planes collided Friday
afternoon over suburban Cincinnati, Ohio, raining debris onto
roads and back yards and killing three people on board but missing
those on the ground as rush hour approached, federal investigators
said.

The two aircraft narrowly missed falling on a busy freeway.

"I'm just thankful it wasn't worse than it was, with school buses
and people coming home from work and the interstate that we have
nearby," said Michael Schappa, Sharonville's police chief.

The Federal Aviation Administration had no information about the
planes' flight plans or why they were so close together. Blue Ash
Airport, a runway used by small planes, is several miles away.
State Highway Patrol Lt. Wayne Price said investigators assume
both planes took off from there.

The planes' pilots were not required to file flight plans and
apparently were not in contact with air traffic controllers, the
FAA said. Under federal regulations, the pilots were responsible
for maintaining a safe distance on a clear, sunny afternoon.

On May 12, 1:04 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
There's still no information on the FAA web site:http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...liminary_data/

Does anyone have any more information about this MAC:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...WS01/705120381

GrtArtiste

I use www.newslink.org to check in for the local take on such
accidents/incidents.

Bob Gardner
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

There's still no information on the FAA web site:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...liminary_data/

Does anyone have any more information about this MAC:


http://robots.cnn.com/2007/US/05/11/....ap/index.html
SHARONVILLE, Ohio (AP) -- Two small planes collided Friday
afternoon over suburban Cincinnati, Ohio, raining debris onto
roads and back yards and killing three people on board but missing
those on the ground as rush hour approached, federal investigators
said.

The two aircraft narrowly missed falling on a busy freeway.

"I'm just thankful it wasn't worse than it was, with school buses
and people coming home from work and the interstate that we have
nearby," said Michael Schappa, Sharonville's police chief.

The Federal Aviation Administration had no information about the
planes' flight plans or why they were so close together. Blue Ash
Airport, a runway used by small planes, is several miles away.
State Highway Patrol Lt. Wayne Price said investigators assume
both planes took off from there.

The planes' pilots were not required to file flight plans and
apparently were not in contact with air traffic controllers, the
FAA said. Under federal regulations, the pilots were responsible
for maintaining a safe distance on a clear, sunny afternoon.

On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:40:23 -0700, "Bob Gardner"
wrote in :

I use www.newslink.org to check in for the local take on such
accidents/incidents.


Many thanks.

That NewsLink.org turned up this update:


http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...WS01/305120021
Last Updated: 7:21 pm | Saturday, May 12, 2007

NTSB: Planes clipped wings
BY JON NEWBERRY AND PEGGY O’FARRELL | ,

SHARONVILLE – A witness told federal investigators that she saw
two small aircraft clip wings before spiraling to the ground in a
collision that left three Greater Cincinnati men dead, an
investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board said
today.

Ed Malinowski told reporters that the planes were traveling in
opposite directions when they hit.

Killed were Niels Harpsoe, 64, of West Chester, pilot of a
Beechcraft Bonanza V35B that crashed on East Kemper Road west of
Reed Hartman Highway; as well as Edward L. Hitchens, 65, of Symmes
Township, and David Woeste Jr., 31, of Anderson Township, who were
in a Cessna Skyhawk that crashed at 5862 Squire Hill Court.

The Hamilton County Coroner’s office is conduct autopsies today on
the three victims.


• David Woeste was father of four

• Edward Hitchens was "mayor of the block"

• Friends remember Niels Harpsoe

Malinowski confirmed that the Cessna was carrying a flight
instructor and student and that the plane featured dual controls.

Hitchens was described as a veteran flight instructor. It is not
known which man was in control of the Cessna.

Federal investigators and the Ohio State Highway Patrol are
gathering clues on the crash.

Malinowski said it will be a few days before investigators can
look at radar reports from a nearby airport, if any such reports
are available.

Investigators want to know the direction and speed at which the
two planes were flying, he said.

Right now, Malinowski said, investigators are focusing on
gathering perishable evidence from the two crash sites.

...

I don't have direct information, but I do fly in and out of KISZ on a
regular basis.
- Without knowing what the winds were at the time...
the location is where one aircraft would be on right base for R24 and
where a departing aircraft would be on left upwind crosswind if
departing R06.
- some local speculation in a high-wing/low-wing situation where visual
separation lost or was not attained.
- no one has commented on hearing any communication from either aircraft
as yet.
Personal note:
- the name and address of one of the C172 occupants is consistent with a
former high school teacher I had 35 years ago.

Larry Dighera wrote:
There's still no information on the FAA web site:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...liminary_data/
Does anyone have any more information about this MAC:

Larry Dighera wrote:

The Federal Aviation Administration had no information about the
planes' flight plans or why they were so close together. Blue Ash
Airport, a runway used by small planes, is several miles away.

That's a bit of an overstatement. The plane that crashed closest to the
airport landed less than three miles away from the approach end of
runway 24. The other plane came down about a mile north of that. They
were outside the traffic pattern, but well within the airport area.


State Highway Patrol Lt. Wayne Price said investigators assume
both planes took off from there.

I've heard (but have no direct knowledge or proof) that the 172 was an
instructor and instrument student doing instrument approaches and the
Bonanza had just departed. Regardless, it seems that the Bonanza was
either on a departure or an approach and the 172 was conducting training
operations involving landings.

Weather was clear, visibility probably around 10 miles. At this point
we mostly only have speculation.


-m
--
## Mark T. Dame
## CP-ASEL, AGI
## insert tail number here
## KHAO, KISZ
"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become a
private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
-- Rod Machado

On Sun, 13 May 2007 01:11:11 -0400, john smith wrote
in :

I don't have direct information, but I do fly in and out of KISZ on a
regular basis.
- Without knowing what the winds were at the time...

This weather data is from KLUK (about 20 miles northeast) on May 11,
2007:


http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/get...68&raw=0&dbn=m
Time Temp. Dew Relative Wind Wind Visibility WX Clouds Sea Level
Altimeter Station Precip 6 Hr 6 Hr 24 Hr 24 Hr Quality
Point Humidity Direction Speed Pressure Setting Pressure 1
hour Max Min Max Min Control
(EDT) (f) (f) (%) (mph) (miles) (mb) (inches) (inches) (inches)
Temp Temp Temp Temp

11 May 11:53 pm 71 57 61 ENE 3 10.00 CLR 1014.1 29.96 29.451 OK
11 May 10:53 pm 69 58 68 CALM 10.00 SCT090 1014.2 29.96 29.451
OK
11 May 9:53 pm 71 58 63 CALM 10.00 CLR 1013.8 29.95 29.441 OK
11 May 8:53 pm 74 60 62 CALM 10.00 CLR 1013.4 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 7:53 pm 81 54 39 CALM 10.00 CLR 1012.8 29.92 29.411 87
81 OK
11 May 6:53 pm 82 52 35 N 8 10.00 CLR 1012.5 29.91 29.401 OK
11 May 5:53 pm 85 46 26 NNW 9 10.00 CLR 1012.5 29.91 29.401 OK
11 May 4:53 pm 87 49 27 NNE 8 10.00 CLR 1012.6 29.91 29.401 OK
11 May 3:53 pm 86 50 29 VRBL 6 10.00 CLR 1013.1 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 2:53 pm 86 52 31 WNW 10 10.00 CLR 1013.6 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 1:53 pm 85 51 31 VRBL 6 10.00 CLR 1013.6 29.94 29.431 85
61 OK
11 May 12:53 pm 85 52 32 NNW 9 10.00 CLR 1013.9 29.95 29.441 OK
11 May 11:53 am 83 53 36 N 7 10.00 CLR 1014.3 29.96 29.451 OK
11 May 10:53 am 79 61 54 SSW 3 10.00 CLR 1014.3 29.96 29.451 OK
11 May 9:53 am 73 61 66 CALM 6.00 HZ CLR 1014.5 29.97 29.461 OK
11 May 8:53 am 67 60 79 CALM 7.00 BR CLR 1014.5 29.97 29.461 OK
11 May 6:53 am 57 56 96 CALM 5.00 BR CLR 1013.6 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 6:35 am 57 55 94 CALM 2.00 BR CLR 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 6:05 am 57 55 94 CALM 0.50 FG CLR 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 5:53 am 58 56 93 CALM 1.75 BR CLR 1013.3 29.94 29.431 OK
11 May 5:40 am 57 55 94 CALM 1.75 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 5:32 am 57 55 94 CALM 4.00 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 5:16 am 57 57 100 CALM 1.00 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 4:53 am 58 56 93 CALM 0.75 BR CLR 1013.2 29.93 29.421 0.01
OK
11 May 4:42 am 59 57 94 CALM 1.75 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 4:34 am 59 55 88 CALM 3.00 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 4:21 am 57 55 94 CALM 1.50 BR CLR 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 3:53 am 59 57 94 CALM 6.00 BR CLR 1013.0 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 2:53 am 59 55 88 CALM 7.00 CLR 1012.9 29.93 29.421 OK
11 May 1:53 am 61 57 87 CALM 10.00 CLR 1013.0 29.93 29.421 79
60 OK
11 May 12:53 am 61 56 83 CALM 10.00 CLR 1013.1 29.93 29.421 84
57 OK



the location is where one aircraft would be on right base for R24 and
where a departing aircraft would be on left upwind crosswind if
departing R06.
- some local speculation in a high-wing/low-wing situation where visual
separation lost or was not attained.
- no one has commented on hearing any communication from either aircraft
as yet.
Personal note:
- the name and address of one of the C172 occupants is consistent with a
former high school teacher I had 35 years ago.

Thanks for these details.

On May 13, 1:11 am, john smith wrote:
I don't have direct information, but I do fly in and out of KISZ on a
regular basis.
- Without knowing what the winds were at the time...
the location is where one aircraft would be on right base for R24 and
where a departing aircraft would be on left upwind crosswind if
departing R06.
- some local speculation in a high-wing/low-wing situation where visual
separation lost or was not attained.
- no one has commented on hearing any communication from either aircraft
as yet.
Personal note:
- the name and address of one of the C172 occupants is consistent with a
former high school teacher I had 35 years ago.


I live not too far from the accident scene, and I have a scanner that
records all CTAF communications in the vicinity and uploads to my
website. I have not searched the audio archives carefully, but perhaps
one of you might want to take a look and find if anything relevant to
this crash shows up. Here is the link:

http://www.sarangan.org/aviation/scan_audio/

On 15 May 2007 20:08:50 -0700, Andrew Sarangan
wrote in .com:

I live not too far from the accident scene, and I have a scanner that
records all CTAF communications in the vicinity and uploads to my
website. I have not searched the audio archives carefully, but perhaps
one of you might want to take a look and find if anything relevant to
this crash shows up. Here is the link:

http://www.sarangan.org/aviation/scan_audio/

Yours may be the sole record of these transmissions. Thank you for
making them available.


From the FAA preliminary information (below):

Date: 05/11/2007
Time: 1903 UTC
Time: 15:03 Local (UTC -4:00)
N6614D, A CESSNA 172
N1835L, A BEECH V35B

Cincinnati-Blue Ash Airport KISZ
Elevation: 856 ft.
Airport Information: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KISZ
Chart: http://skyvector.com/#21-106-3-2057-1518


Here's what I found on the tapes (probably the last words of the MAC
pilots):


Audio File: May 11, 2007; 14-15; METAR (KMGY)
35009KT 310V020 10SM CLR 28/10
Position
In File Aircraft Broadcast
------------------------------------------------------------
10:17 Bonanza N1835L 5 mi N, will be entering L DW Rny6 FS
10:25 Cessna N6614D Just departed rny6 ... departing rnwy
20 clmbg thru 2,100...Will be looking
for the Bonanza on...
10:49 Bonanza N1835L 4 mi ... 6,000' we'll be entering L DW
for ...6





Audio File: May 11, 2007; 15-16; METAR (KMGY)
02008KT 10SM CLR 28/12
Position
In File Aircraft Broadcast
------------------------------------------------------------
....
02:43 Helo 6CS is Sky5 about 3 to the S @
2,00 mid-field xing NB
02:51 Sky5
03:00 Sheriff 1,400 aprch frm W
....
03:50 Sky5 ...275 @ 2,000 in orbit
04:26 Sheriff? ... mi NE of Blue Ash
06:31 Sky5 Sky5 helo & Sheriff helo orbiting
about 2 mi NE @ 1,500 to 2,000
06:42 Sky5 You call'n Blue Ash or 229 Sheriff?
06:45 Sheriff Blue Ash
06:46 Sky5 Ok, we're up with ya.
06:48 Sheriff ...they've already called for CFR ...
... about 10 or 15 min out...however
long it takes for them to get goin'
06:57 Sky5 Gotcha. Copy 10 min. We'll stay 2 or
abv 2,000 stay out of your way.
07:11 Sky5 Sky5 helo & Sheriff helo orbiting abt
2 2-1/2 NE of Blue Ash just outside of
275blue


So it appears that the Bonanza was inbound from the north at 6,000'
(5,144' AGL) for left downwind entry to runway six, while the Cessna
had just departed runway six and was at 2,100' (1,244' AGL) at the
time of his last transmission. It would seem that both aircraft would
have had their view of the other obscured by their low/high wing
configurations. Tragic.


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http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...a/03_1835L.txt
************************************************** ******************************
** Report created 5/16/2007 Record 3 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 1835L Make/Model: BE36 Description: 36 Bonanza
Date: 05/11/2007 Time: 1903

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: Y Missing:
Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
City: CINCINNATI State: OH Country: US

DESCRIPTION
N6614D, A CESSNA 172 AIRCRAFT AND N1835L, A BEECH V35B AIRCRAFT
COLLIDED IN
MIDAIR 2.5 MILES FROM THE AIRPORT, THERE WERE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD
N6614D,
AND ONE PERSON ON BOARD N1835L, ALL THREE PERSONS ON BOARD THE TWO
AIRCRAFT
WERE FATALLY INJURED, CINCINNATTI, OH

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:

WEATHER: 1852Z 35009KT 10SM BKN130 BKN250 29/11 A2996

OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown Operation: Other


FAA FSDO: CINCINNATI, OH (GL05) Entry date:
05/14/2007

On 5/16/2007 11:48:02 AM, Larry Dighera wrote:

10:49 Bonanza N1835L 4 mi ... 6,000' we'll be entering L DW
for ...6


Is this correct, Larry? The pilot stated he was at 6,000 feet and only four
miles from the airport, which has a traffic pattern altitude of approximately
1,800 feet?

--
Peter