Pilots flying into Oregon must register with the state!?

Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires any
general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days. Unless
they have some other meaning for "operating"? Likewise, in all the
material I've ever read on acquiring a pilot certificate, this is the
first time I've read that there are additional state requirements! How
many states have laws like this? Here's the text of the law and links to
the entire context for anyone who can help me understand what this really
means:

"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of public
safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or receiving
aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this state shall
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days of
issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate, permit, rating
or license relating to competency as a pilot except that student pilots
shall register prior to their first solo flight. A nonresident pilot of a
scheduled or nonscheduled airline, certificated by the appropriate
federal agency, is not required to register under the provisions of this
section unless the nonresident pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft
other than such certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within
this state, other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots
operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.

(2) Every registered pilot shall renew the first registration on
the anniversary of the pilot’s birthdate. After the first renewal, each
pilot shall renew registration on the anniversary of the pilot’s
birthdate in the first year of each two-year period thereafter in which
the pilot is active as a pilot.

(3) Every registered pilot shall notify the department in writing
within 30 days of a change of address or name. The notification shall
contain the old and new residence address or name and the pilot
registration number. [Formerly 493.040; 1991 c.186 §1]

837.025 Requirements for pilot registration; fees; certificates.
(1) Possession of the appropriate effective federal certificate, permit,
rating or license relating to competency of the pilot and payment of a
fee of $8 for initial registration and $16 for each renewal of
registration shall be the requisite for registration of the pilot under
ORS 837.020. A filing of a written statement containing the information
reasonably required by the Oregon Department of Aviation is sufficient to
effect a registration. No originals or copies of federal certificates,
permits, ratings or licenses shall be required of the applicant.
Duplicate certificates of pilot registration may be obtained upon proof
of loss or destruction of the original by application therefor to the
department and the payment of $5 for each additional certificate.

(2) The department may issue certificates of registration and may
prescribe requirements for possession and exhibition of such
certificates.

(3) Information submitted in any application for registration is a
public record and is open to public inspection during normal office
hours. [Formerly 493.050; 1991 c.206 §1; 1997 c.585 §3]"

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/837.html
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/registration.shtml

This falls right on top of the new Tax mandate from the lovely State of
Maine.
Aircraft flying through or stopping at any airport in Maine will be a sent a
Tax Bill for 5% of their value (sales tax?).
The Tax department has been charged with correlating Flight Plans with
aircraft N-numbers and sending the owner a bill.
The state is trying to collect taxes from Maine Residents who
register/store/base their aircraft in another state to avoid being taxed.

I do hope they are doing the same to all those RVs and Campers who visit
Maine every summer.
Should drive the tourist level down and keep the limited highways clear for
residents.

BT

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires any
general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days. Unless
they have some other meaning for "operating"? Likewise, in all the
material I've ever read on acquiring a pilot certificate, this is the
first time I've read that there are additional state requirements! How
many states have laws like this? Here's the text of the law and links to
the entire context for anyone who can help me understand what this really
means:

"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of public
safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or receiving
aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this state shall
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days of
issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate, permit, rating
or license relating to competency as a pilot except that student pilots
shall register prior to their first solo flight. A nonresident pilot of a
scheduled or nonscheduled airline, certificated by the appropriate
federal agency, is not required to register under the provisions of this
section unless the nonresident pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft
other than such certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within
this state, other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots
operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.

(2) Every registered pilot shall renew the first registration on
the anniversary of the pilot's birthdate. After the first renewal, each
pilot shall renew registration on the anniversary of the pilot's
birthdate in the first year of each two-year period thereafter in which
the pilot is active as a pilot.

(3) Every registered pilot shall notify the department in writing
within 30 days of a change of address or name. The notification shall
contain the old and new residence address or name and the pilot
registration number. [Formerly 493.040; 1991 c.186 §1]

837.025 Requirements for pilot registration; fees; certificates.
(1) Possession of the appropriate effective federal certificate, permit,
rating or license relating to competency of the pilot and payment of a
fee of $8 for initial registration and $16 for each renewal of
registration shall be the requisite for registration of the pilot under
ORS 837.020. A filing of a written statement containing the information
reasonably required by the Oregon Department of Aviation is sufficient to
effect a registration. No originals or copies of federal certificates,
permits, ratings or licenses shall be required of the applicant.
Duplicate certificates of pilot registration may be obtained upon proof
of loss or destruction of the original by application therefor to the
department and the payment of $5 for each additional certificate.

(2) The department may issue certificates of registration and may
prescribe requirements for possession and exhibition of such
certificates.

(3) Information submitted in any application for registration is a
public record and is open to public inspection during normal office
hours. [Formerly 493.050; 1991 c.206 §1; 1997 c.585 §3]"

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/837.html
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/registration.shtml

Recently, Jim Logajan posted:

Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires any
general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days. Unless
they have some other meaning for "operating"?

As I read it, if you are flying to Washington from California, and make a
fuel stop in Oregon, you then have to register within the 60 day period.
However, it seems to me that enforcement would be practically impossible
in such a case. It would be interesting to see if this rule could really
hold up in court should they try to enforce it.

Neil

I don't see it as terribly unfair to charge $8 per year, even from
transient pilots, to fund rescue services in case of a mishap. It
seems to be a reasonable cause. I always wondered where the money for
search and rescue came from.

This is not aimed at itinerant pilots...Washington has a similar rule. It is
parallel to the rule about registering automobiles after 60 days.

Bob Gardner

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires any
general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days. Unless
they have some other meaning for "operating"? Likewise, in all the
material I've ever read on acquiring a pilot certificate, this is the
first time I've read that there are additional state requirements! How
many states have laws like this? Here's the text of the law and links to
the entire context for anyone who can help me understand what this really
means:

"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of public
safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or receiving
aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this state shall
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days of
issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate, permit, rating
or license relating to competency as a pilot except that student pilots
shall register prior to their first solo flight. A nonresident pilot of a
scheduled or nonscheduled airline, certificated by the appropriate
federal agency, is not required to register under the provisions of this
section unless the nonresident pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft
other than such certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within
this state, other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state. Pilots
operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial operation.

(2) Every registered pilot shall renew the first registration on
the anniversary of the pilot's birthdate. After the first renewal, each
pilot shall renew registration on the anniversary of the pilot's
birthdate in the first year of each two-year period thereafter in which
the pilot is active as a pilot.

(3) Every registered pilot shall notify the department in writing
within 30 days of a change of address or name. The notification shall
contain the old and new residence address or name and the pilot
registration number. [Formerly 493.040; 1991 c.186 §1]

837.025 Requirements for pilot registration; fees; certificates.
(1) Possession of the appropriate effective federal certificate, permit,
rating or license relating to competency of the pilot and payment of a
fee of $8 for initial registration and $16 for each renewal of
registration shall be the requisite for registration of the pilot under
ORS 837.020. A filing of a written statement containing the information
reasonably required by the Oregon Department of Aviation is sufficient to
effect a registration. No originals or copies of federal certificates,
permits, ratings or licenses shall be required of the applicant.
Duplicate certificates of pilot registration may be obtained upon proof
of loss or destruction of the original by application therefor to the
department and the payment of $5 for each additional certificate.

(2) The department may issue certificates of registration and may
prescribe requirements for possession and exhibition of such
certificates.

(3) Information submitted in any application for registration is a
public record and is open to public inspection during normal office
hours. [Formerly 493.050; 1991 c.206 §1; 1997 c.585 §3]"

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/837.html
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/registration.shtml

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I don't see it as terribly unfair to charge $8 per year, even from
transient pilots, to fund rescue services in case of a mishap. It
seems to be a reasonable cause. I always wondered where the money for
search and rescue came from.

I guess you don't understand the problem - there are 50 states, an even
larger number of counties, cities, and so on. How do you know where to look
to find out which entity wants to put their hands in your pocket each time
you land at an airport in their jurisdiction? I simply had no idea this law
existed until I went searching for information on registration of aircraft
in Oregon.

And you do realize that the law, as written, seems to require transients to
continue to renew with the state of Oregon so long as they are active as a
pilots? So even a single stop or overflight would require said pilot to
send $8 per year almost indefinitely.

And oh yeah, you have to inform them of every address change. Imagine if
all 50 states had this law and a pilot's flying happened to take her to all
50 states:

50 states times $8/year yields $400/year.

On Jun 11, 11:38 am, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
I don't see it as terribly unfair to charge $8 per year, even from
transient pilots, to fund rescue services in case of a mishap. It
seems to be a reasonable cause. I always wondered where the money for
search and rescue came from.

I think you are deluded if you think an $8 charge will do anything
ecept pay for the salary of more bureacrats to administer the
register. Get a grip, your liberties are being eroded under the
pretext of security.

Good luck!

"Bob Gardner" wrote:
This is not aimed at itinerant pilots...Washington has a similar rule.
It is parallel to the rule about registering automobiles after 60
days.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any terminology that excludes transient or
itinerant pilots. I see nothing anywhere in the statute that qualifies
the sentence "Nonresidents operating within this state, other than in a
commercial operation, shall register with the department within 60 days
of the date of arrival within the state," to yield the meaning you claim
it has.

The legislative intent may have been one thing, but the wording in the
law seems to say another.

By the way, if you have a link or reference to the Washington law that
would help me understand whether the text of Oregon statute is "unique."


Bob Gardner

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like Oregon requires
any general aviation pilot who flies into or through Oregon must then
register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60 days.
Unless they have some other meaning for "operating"? Likewise, in all
the material I've ever read on acquiring a pilot certificate, this is
the first time I've read that there are additional state
requirements! How many states have laws like this? Here's the text of
the law and links to the entire context for anyone who can help me
understand what this really means:

"837.020 Registration of pilots; renewal. (1) In the interest of
public safety and the safety of those people traveling by air or
receiving aviation instruction, every pilot operating within this
state shall register with the Oregon Department of Aviation within 60
days of issuance of any appropriate effective federal certificate,
permit, rating or license relating to competency as a pilot except
that student pilots shall register prior to their first solo flight.
A nonresident pilot of a scheduled or nonscheduled airline,
certificated by the appropriate federal agency, is not required to
register under the provisions of this section unless the nonresident
pilot engages in the piloting of aircraft other than such
certificated operation. Nonresidents operating within this state,
other than in a commercial operation, shall register with the
department within 60 days of the date of arrival within the state.
Pilots operating commercially shall register prior to any commercial
operation.

(2) Every registered pilot shall renew the first registration on
the anniversary of the pilot's birthdate. After the first renewal,
each pilot shall renew registration on the anniversary of the pilot's
birthdate in the first year of each two-year period thereafter in
which the pilot is active as a pilot.

(3) Every registered pilot shall notify the department in
writing
within 30 days of a change of address or name. The notification shall
contain the old and new residence address or name and the pilot
registration number. [Formerly 493.040; 1991 c.186 §1]

837.025 Requirements for pilot registration; fees; certificates.
(1) Possession of the appropriate effective federal certificate,
permit, rating or license relating to competency of the pilot and
payment of a fee of $8 for initial registration and $16 for each
renewal of registration shall be the requisite for registration of
the pilot under ORS 837.020. A filing of a written statement
containing the information reasonably required by the Oregon
Department of Aviation is sufficient to effect a registration. No
originals or copies of federal certificates, permits, ratings or
licenses shall be required of the applicant. Duplicate certificates
of pilot registration may be obtained upon proof of loss or
destruction of the original by application therefor to the department
and the payment of $5 for each additional certificate.

(2) The department may issue certificates of registration and
may
prescribe requirements for possession and exhibition of such
certificates.

(3) Information submitted in any application for registration is
a
public record and is open to public inspection during normal office
hours. [Formerly 493.050; 1991 c.206 §1; 1997 c.585 §3]"

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/ors/837.html
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/registration.shtml

Neil Gould wrote:
As I read it, if you are flying to Washington from California, and make a
fuel stop in Oregon, you then have to register within the 60 day period.
However, it seems to me that enforcement would be practically impossible
in such a case. It would be interesting to see if this rule could really
hold up in court should they try to enforce it.



Since I live on the East coast, I think I'd feel fairly safe at blowing them
off, even if I ever did fly in their state. What are they going to do? Send
federal marshals?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

I don't see it as terribly unfair to charge $8 per year, even from
transient pilots, to fund rescue services in case of a mishap.

No, and it's not terribly unfair for cities, towns and other
municipalities to do the same for aircraft flying over them. Gated
communities that decide to have a registration program are also being
fair to pilots, after all, what's another eight dollars a year and some
paperwork? And the fines if you fail to comply?

I predict the law won't stand. Federal law trumps it, and has in the past.

Jose
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