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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm
Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my third hour onwards. D. |
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On Jul 12, 10:56 pm, "David Wright"
wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation I think this is probably a case where one needs to read the accident report. I have a feeling that the news reporting may have simplified a little too much. Anybody know where to find the report online? |
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On Jul 13, 12:09 am, James Sleeman wrote:
a little too much. Anybody know where to find the report online? To answer my own question: http://tinyurl.com/2fltym ( http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/sites/aai...0l__g_babb.cfm ) |
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On Jul 12, 5:56 am, "David Wright"
wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my third hour onwards. D. David, et al; Each area and each instructor has a different idea of relative importance for nearly every phase of flying. But, in my not so humble opinion, far too much importance is placed on solo early. Many years back, 10 hours was the magic number for solo and if you went over that you were a clod not worthy of continued training. (Well, something like that...) It didn't take me long as an instructor to figure out if a student couldn't do very basic flight manuevers safely, they had no business flying solo! As for landings, I remind my students, they only have one opportunity for a safe landing for EVERY takeoff. And, further, each takeoff will be followed by one of two things......a good approach and landing, or a GO-AROUND hopefully to be followed by a good landing. A go around is a very important skill to learn and it has to be appropriate for the aircraft being flown. May I offer my own dissertation on go arounds? Thank you. :) The conditions that require an aborted landing are myriad and fluid. So does the point when the pilot must make a decision to continue or to go around. The common factor is a vertical descent rate that must be arrested to effect a go around. The altitude may be 500'agl, or it may be 10'agl under extremes. So, the most important thing to do is to stop the descent and get stabilized while doing whatever has to be accomplished in order to go back up and make another attempt or divert to an alternate. Most go around procedures require application of takeoff power followed by reduction of flaps, or retraction of gear, or application of collective (for the rotorheads) and the appropriate procedures for both the aircraft and the operations involved. I insist the student say out loud during the approach, the pertinent numbers and what they are doing. When they are on short final they must declare it to be a touchdown or a potential go around. If I declare a "GO AROUND" THEY MUST APPLY TAKEOFF POWER, arrest the descent, get stabilized, and then before they touch the flap control, MUST call out their airspeed and a positive rate of climb. Once they have done that, they can stage the flaps up and resume a normal climb. In order for any student pilot to accomplish any kind of precison of the aircraft, they must first learn the rudimentary skills for flight. Teaching them nothing but touch and go landings is to their detriment. Your technique and opinion will vary with mileage. Cheers Ol S&B Soaring Buzzard World Infamous Pilot/Instructor |
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David,
Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" IMHO, it is impossible for an instructor to prepare a student for each and every situation he might encounted. However, it IS not only possible, but mandatory to prepare him to be flexible, think for himself and adjust to unfamiliar situations. If the student hasn't mastered that, he isn't ready for (solo) flying. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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David Wright wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/6294778.stm Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time and it was only his second solo, but I was doing touch and go's and going around from about my third hour onwards. D. A "go- around" is NOT an unfamiliar maneuver; at least it shouldn't be to any student who has been checked out for solo. In fact, go arounds are an intricate part of the learning curve and should be taught to every student pilots before solo is achieved. I can see no reason why a properly training student pilot would be incapable of going around during any solo flight that student was signed off to make. If a student crashes on a go around because normal procedures were not followed, there is a serious problem either involving the instructor. Even if mis-communication was a factor, the student STILL should have been able to handle the situation avoiding a crash. I look heavily toward the instructor in matters like these. This having been said, I ALSO would reserve any final decision on these matters until I had studied the official accident report. Dudley Henriques |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
David, Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" IMHO, it is impossible for an instructor to prepare a student for each and every situation he might encounted. However, it IS not only possible, but mandatory to prepare him to be flexible, think for himself and adjust to unfamiliar situations. If the student hasn't mastered that, he isn't ready for (solo) flying. You're right. Instructors who attempt to teach students with an "if this happens...do this" approach are in my opinion not teaching properly. You teach how it should be done the right way, then you teach how to use common sense and flexibility in flying the airplane to maintain that right way and/or return to that right way when deviations occur. A properly trained student pilot faced with a sudden unusual situation involving a go-around would "fly the airplane first", remain stabilized and calm, and then solve the peripherals required to return the aircraft to a normal situation. Dudley Henriques |
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James Sleeman schrieb:
To answer my own question: http://tinyurl.com/2fltym Thanks for the link. The report explains everything, if one reads it to the end. |
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On Jul 12, 10:56 pm, "David Wright"
wrote: Interesting that a "Go Around" is considered here as an "unfamiliar manoeuvre" - and that the pilot was "put in a situation beyond his experience" - okay he only had 15 hours of flying time I have now read the (comprehensive!) accident report, and as I expected, it was important to do so because the BBC article doesn't give anything like the whole truth. Here is my attempt at boiling it down to the essence... 1. The pilot was a 16 year old new-solo student on his second solo after a checkride with instructor. During the flight preceding the accident it was apparent that he wasn't entirely comfortable with radio communications outside of the "normal" circuit procedures. 2. The airport is fairly busy catering for both fast guys and club and student pilots in C150s etc. 3. The ATC units operating at the time of the accident appear not to have been aware the pilot was a new solo. 4. The C150 was on fairly late final and had been cleared #1. 5. A faster aircraft (Malibu) was coming in on basically a straight in approach from outside the circuit. 6. ATC decided to put the Malibu in first and get the C150 out of the way (remembering here that the C150 as the aircraft in front, on final should have had right of way). 7. An instruction was given to the C150, however, the phrasology was bad, it started out requesting a go-around "maintain centerline", then in the same transmission said to "disregard" and "just do a left turn and fly north, I'll call you back in later", he was also told there was a fast aircraft behind him 8. the C150 pilot read back the left turn instruction 9. the C150 pilot proceeded to turn to the reciprocal (west of north) of the base leg, indicating the sense of "constrainment to the circuit" the student felt. 10. at the same time it seems likely the workload was high, and he would be looking out for other aircraft in the sometimes busy circuit, not to mention the "fast aircraft behind" 11. lack of confidence, and experience, and the workload and perhaps confusion all contributed to the pilot not cleaning up the aircraft (or climbing to circuit altitude) and it remained in the low power, low altitude, approach configuration through the turn 12. when called by ATC that he could return to land the pilot initiated a turn, but in the process a stall-spin eventuated and it was all over rover The ultimate cause of the accident at the end of the day was that the pilot forgot to fly the plane, he appears to have been confused and overwhelmed by the non-standard turn of events and the break-away from the "circuit procedures with possible go-around" for which he had been trained. The go-around was not called for properly, standard phrasology is required by the rules, and the procedure is also standard - clean up, climb up, and move to the right of centerline. "Turn to the north" from late in the final is nothing like that (to the student). The potential for *exactly* this accident sequence had been identified by the ATC unit at that very airport in the 90s and instructions were given at the time that would have avoided it basically that ATC should only ever tell club/student pilots to "go around, say again, go around" which is the offical phrase and procedure for which students are trained. New ATC personell having joined the unit after this instruction was promulgated were not made aware of it. The instruction has subsequently been re-issued. I think what should be learned from this is that especially low-time students still circuit bashing have very set procedures they are following in thier minds, and any break-away from those procedures can quickly lead to confusion and over-workload situations. Combine that "procedural break" with it being at low altitude, low speed, approach configuration, and you are asking for trouble. A standard "go around, say again, go around" would have been fine, because the student would have known exactly what was expected of him. |
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Thanks for the link. The report explains everything, if one reads it to
the end. The non-standard phraseology used certainly seems to have been an important factor. D |
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