Las Vegas NV Cortez 1 VFR Arrival/Class B Airspace

Does being cleared for this arrival automatically give you clearance
to enter Class B airspace or do you need to hear "Cleared to enter
Class B airspace" as well.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
Does being cleared for this arrival automatically give you clearance
to enter Class B airspace or do you need to hear "Cleared to enter
Class B airspace" as well.

Since the Cortez arrival requires you to go through class B, and
clearance is required before you start the arrival, no.

However, one wonders why go to North Las Vegas when Henderson is
much easier to get in and out of, much friendlier to GA, and is
cheaper.

Though if you do use Henderson, use their free shuttle back to the
airport, not a cab; few of the cab drivers know how to get there
and take you on a scenic and expensive tour of the Henderson area.


--
Jim Pennino

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However, one wonders why go to North Las Vegas when Henderson is
much easier to get in and out of, much friendlier to GA, and is
cheaper.

I just checked the reviews on Airnav and HND would be simpler. Graci

Ron Lee

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wrote:
However, one wonders why go to North Las Vegas when Henderson is
much easier to get in and out of, much friendlier to GA, and is
cheaper.

Though if you do use Henderson, use their free shuttle back to the
airport, not a cab; few of the cab drivers know how to get there
and take you on a scenic and expensive tour of the Henderson area.

?!? The fuel prices at HND and VGT are usually very close to one
another (less than $0.05/gal difference). At this moment, according
to airnav, both of them have a self-serve price of $4.09. The nightly
tie-down fees are also the same ($6.50/night, IIRC).

I've flown in to both HND and VGT many times, and find the prices and
service levels to be comparable, if not nearly identical. Both airports
also have free shuttles that will take you to your destination.

As for dealing with the Class B airspace while flying into VGT, I've never
ever had any problems getting a clearance from approach. In my experiences,
the Las Vegas Approach controllers are some of the best I've ever dealt
with. They are very used to simultaneously dealing with both the big boys
and the propeller-heads, and always seem to be very accomodating to those
unfamiliar with the local airspace. Don't let having to deal with Class B
airspace be a deciding factor in choosing your destination in this case.

In the end, my decision to land at VGT vs HND revolves around which airport
is closer to my final destination in Las Vegas. VGT is a bit closer to the
strip.

-- Dane

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

Does being cleared for this arrival automatically give you clearance
to enter Class B airspace or do you need to hear "Cleared to enter
Class B airspace" as well.


"The operator must receive an ATC clearance from the ATC facility having
jurisdiction for that area before operating an aircraft in that area."

I'm not familiar with that arrival, but you don't have to hear "Cleared to
enter Class B airspace" if you're operating under another clearance that
meets the requirement above.

Dane Spearing wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
However, one wonders why go to North Las Vegas when Henderson is
much easier to get in and out of, much friendlier to GA, and is
cheaper.

Though if you do use Henderson, use their free shuttle back to the
airport, not a cab; few of the cab drivers know how to get there
and take you on a scenic and expensive tour of the Henderson area.

?!? The fuel prices at HND and VGT are usually very close to one
another (less than $0.05/gal difference). At this moment, according
to airnav, both of them have a self-serve price of $4.09. The nightly
tie-down fees are also the same ($6.50/night, IIRC).

I've flown in to both HND and VGT many times, and find the prices and
service levels to be comparable, if not nearly identical. Both airports
also have free shuttles that will take you to your destination.

As for dealing with the Class B airspace while flying into VGT, I've never
ever had any problems getting a clearance from approach. In my experiences,
the Las Vegas Approach controllers are some of the best I've ever dealt
with. They are very used to simultaneously dealing with both the big boys
and the propeller-heads, and always seem to be very accomodating to those
unfamiliar with the local airspace. Don't let having to deal with Class B
airspace be a deciding factor in choosing your destination in this case.

In the end, my decision to land at VGT vs HND revolves around which airport
is closer to my final destination in Las Vegas. VGT is a bit closer to the
strip.

When's the last time you flew into HND?

They are continually improving their service.

In September HND was $5/night for singles and the premium on full service
gas was $.05 AIR.

I will continue to use HND because of the fantastic service that treats
you great whether you're in a Gulfstream or a 2-hole experimental.

--
Jim Pennino

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Dane Spearing) wrote in :

In the end, my decision to land at VGT vs HND revolves around which airport
is closer to my final destination in Las Vegas.

KLAS is closer than either of those.

A Clearance from ATC is required to fly the Cortez 1 Arrival should include
the words.. "cleared to enter Class B", if not.. ask
Most likely the phraseology will be, "N123VG, Cleared to enter Class B via
the Cortez 1 arrival to North Las Vegas Airport. Maintain VFR."

Most likely you will be restricted by ATC to maintain 3500MSL until in
contact with VGT Tower dependent on their traffic pattern operations. They
run parallel traffic patterns to 12L/30R and 12R/30L on split tower
frequencies. Pattern altitude is 3000MSL.

The Cortez Arrival is the old "Showboat" arrival, until it was imploded. It
was easy to see the Showboat.. it is harder to spot the El Cortez.

BT
VGT based

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Does being cleared for this arrival automatically give you clearance
to enter Class B airspace or do you need to hear "Cleared to enter
Class B airspace" as well.

Ron Lee

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Dane Spearing) wrote in :

In the end, my decision to land at VGT vs HND revolves around which
airport
is closer to my final destination in Las Vegas.

KLAS is closer than either of those.

You may not want to pay the fee at KLAS.

B

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:45:50 -0800, "BT" wrote
in :

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC),
(Dane Spearing) wrote in :

In the end, my decision to land at VGT vs HND revolves around which
airport
is closer to my final destination in Las Vegas.

KLAS is closer than either of those.

You may not want to pay the fee at KLAS.

B


Not a problem at the Executive terminal; just top off the tanks. Fee
Waived. First class service; free shuttle van to and from.