Abject surrender

Well, we now have the first surrender in the War on Terror. Spain has
surrendered to Al Quada and will remove its troops from Iraq.
Do the Spanish really think that will be Al Quada's last demand?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:40:55 -0600, Tony wrote:

Well, we now have the first surrender in the War on Terror. Spain has
surrendered to Al Quada and will remove its troops from Iraq.

Spain held an election and the people spoke. Damn democracy!

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Tony Williams wrote:

It is facile to assume that the Spanish cower before terrorism. If the
bombers had been ETA, the result would have been strong support for
the existing government in its fight against terrorism. It's just that
Iraq has always been an unpopular cause there.

Well, if I were a serious member of ETA, the message that
big bombs in crowded areas might be a good thing, would not
be lost on me.

Of course the Iraq coalition members are clearly the targets,
if this really is Al Qaeda work. Poland, Italy, Japan...

My guess, given this resounding victory for Al Qaeda, is
Italy will be next on the "hit list". Possibly the American
party conventions in summer, the Olympics.

Terrorists are doing the same thing on an international
level that they are doing locally in Iraq. Kill anyone
associated with the US effort.

And it seems from here, the only thing people can do,
especially [continental] Europe, is blame Bush. The
terror didn't start with Iraq and it won't end with Iraq.
Iraq is the "justification du jour". If it weren't Iraq,
it would be Palestine-Israel. Whatever is convenient.

The "war on terror" is the new "Cold War". It may very
well last several generations. We need to get used to
this stuff.


SMH

Keith Willshaw wrote:

Which is ironic given the opinion poll published by the BBC which
shows that more IRAQI's are in favor of the invasion than
opposed it and 70% thought things would be better as a result.

Is this the same poll as the ABC effort announced this
morning?

I'm always leery of polls, especially in such a tumbled
up place as Iraq right now. But it is an interesting
result.

While Iraqis aren't exactly thrilled about being occupied,
they definitely prefer the coalition stay rather than
leave right now. Iraqis are extremely optimistic about
the future. As you report, 70% think things will be
better next year, and most feel they are better off now
than under Saddam.

Despite the generally negative reports from the news
media (who got killed, what got blown up), water and
electricity is better now than under Saddam, more choices
in the markets, and personal income is up.

A long way yet to go, but at least things seem to be
going in the right direction, albeit slowly.


SMH

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
...
Keith Willshaw wrote:

Which is ironic given the opinion poll published by the BBC which
shows that more IRAQI's are in favor of the invasion than
opposed it and 70% thought things would be better as a result.

Is this the same poll as the ABC effort announced this
morning?


Very likely as the BBC mentioned it had been commissioned
by a number of broadcasters

I'm always leery of polls, especially in such a tumbled
up place as Iraq right now. But it is an interesting
result.


Indeed

Keith

Stephen Harding twisted the electrons to say:
My guess, given this resounding victory for Al Qaeda, is
Italy will be next on the "hit list".

So Al Qaeda *may* have influenced the result in the Spanish election,
thus causing a government that was involved in the "war on terror" to be
replaced with one that has a priority of a "systematic fight against
terrorism of all kinds" - yeah, that was a real resounding victory if
ever I saw one! grins
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

"The CO" wrote:


"Jarg" wrote in message
. com...

"Yeff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:40:55 -0600, Tony wrote:

Well, we now have the first surrender in the War on Terror. Spain
has
surrendered to Al Quada and will remove its troops from Iraq.

Spain held an election and the people spoke. Damn democracy!

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

And people often get the government they deserve. But I hope that
isn't so
in this case.

Might well be the case.

I wonder if the new Socialist govt realises that AQ hates left wing
almost communists
as much as right wing conservatives? It seems to me that any govt not
based on the
principles of Islam is fair game in their book. We're all just infidels
to them.

The CO

Idiot.

Grantland

In article ,
Alistair Gunn wrote:

So Al Qaeda *may* have influenced the result in the Spanish election,

Not "may."

Anyone who insists that the Spanish election wasn't heavily influenced
by the bombings is just fooling themselves.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Grantland" wrote in message


Idiot.

Grantland


Is that your new signature? Many of us just took it as a given in your
postings!

Seriously, do you have any basis for disagreeing, or are you limited to ad
hominem?

Jarg

For further reading on the subject check:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
Alistair Gunn wrote:

So Al Qaeda *may* have influenced the result in the Spanish election,

Not "may."

Anyone who insists that the Spanish election wasn't heavily influenced
by the bombings is just fooling themselves.


Sadly, that is true. The Spanish electorate went belly up. You would think
the repeated lessons of appeasment might have soaked in by now, but
apparently not.

Jarg