Nazi attempt to match the B-17

During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a military
humour site.

http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

It's not the April 1st, wink wink.

jok


During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a military
humour site.

http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Part of Dan's message was the name proposed for the "German B-17"

I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the Ou812.

That is no worse than having "Unzip" as a tactical callsign for a month or so.

Rick

"B2431" wrote in message
...
During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the
Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a
military
humour site.


http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are gonna be sorry you did this when someday in the future our resident
Germany-did-everything-first-and-better clown tosses this back as "proof"
that the Nazis were really ahead of the power curve when it comes to using
canards...

Brooks

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 8/17/2004 2:59 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
...
During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the
Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a
military
humour site.


http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are gonna be sorry you did this when someday in the future our resident
Germany-did-everything-first-and-better clown tosses this back as "proof"
that the Nazis were really ahead of the power curve when it comes to using
canards...

Brooks

Not really, I had planned on making an observation that I was surprised he
hadn't provided this proof earlier. That would have been a cheap shot g

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:
During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed
their own version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was
called the Ou812.

Try Kg200 DL+XC fin No.124585 originally "Wulf Hound" of the 303rd Bomb
Group at Molesworth, force landed December 1942!

Richard.

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"B2431" wrote in message
...
During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the
Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a
military humour site.


http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are gonna be sorry you did this when someday in the future our resident
Germany-did-everything-first-and-better clown tosses this back as "proof"
that the Nazis were really ahead of the power curve when it comes to using
canards...

Brooks

I can't resist.

This Messerschmitt P.1011 "Ente" proposal is a clear canard designe:
http://www.luft46.com/mess/meente.html

"This was another variation of the P.1110 design. The design was of a
"duck" (Ente) configuration, that is, small wings (or canards) in
front with the larger wing to the rear. This was felt would allow good
pitch and lateral stability for low-speed flight characteristics. "

So clearly Messerschmitt were aware of the advantages a canard
offered.

Also these two Henschell designes the Hs P.75 and Hs P.87
http://www.luft46.com/henschel/henschel.html

It is interesting why the word "canard" is used: perhaps because the
leading winglets are "misleading". The Germans were using "Ente"
which is their word for "Duck" and the French word "canard" of course
means "duck".

This is the Google dictionary Definition:

canard:
An unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story.

A short winglike control surface projecting from the fuselage of an
aircraft, such as a space shuttle, mounted forward of the main wing
and serving as a horizontal stabilizer.

An aircraft whose horizontal stabilizing surfaces are forward of the
main wing.

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[French, duck, canard, probably from the phrase vendre un canard à
moitié, to half-sell a duck, to swindle, from Old French quanart,
duck, from caner, to cackle, of imitative origin.]

"Eunometic" wrote in message
om...
"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...
"B2431" wrote in message
...
During WW2 the Nazis were so impressed by the B-17 they designed their
own
version. I think they only built 2. If memory serves it was called the
Ou812.

The only known picture of it flying has for some reason shown up on a
military humour site.



http://www.strategypage.com/humor/ar...ruttan_b17.asp

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

You are gonna be sorry you did this when someday in the future our
resident
Germany-did-everything-first-and-better clown tosses this back as
"proof"
that the Nazis were really ahead of the power curve when it comes to
using
canards...

Brooks

I can't resist.

This Messerschmitt P.1011 "Ente" proposal is a clear canard designe:
http://www.luft46.com/mess/meente.html

"This was another variation of the P.1110 design. The design was of a
"duck" (Ente) configuration, that is, small wings (or canards) in
front with the larger wing to the rear. This was felt would allow good
pitch and lateral stability for low-speed flight characteristics. "

So clearly Messerschmitt were aware of the advantages a canard
offered.

Wow. And only what, forty years or so after the Wright bothers used a
canard?

"So many pilots forget, or never knew, that the earliest heavier-than-air
birds pretty much all flew beak-first. But check out any photo of the
Wrights' earliest machines and some built by their followers ... the
canard."

www.avweb.com/news/newacft/182746-1.html

Brooks


Also these two Henschell designes the Hs P.75 and Hs P.87
http://www.luft46.com/henschel/henschel.html

It is interesting why the word "canard" is used: perhaps because the
leading winglets are "misleading". The Germans were using "Ente"
which is their word for "Duck" and the French word "canard" of course
means "duck".

This is the Google dictionary Definition:

canard:
An unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story.

A short winglike control surface projecting from the fuselage of an
aircraft, such as a space shuttle, mounted forward of the main wing
and serving as a horizontal stabilizer.

An aircraft whose horizontal stabilizing surfaces are forward of the
main wing.

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[French, duck, canard, probably from the phrase vendre un canard à
moitié, to half-sell a duck, to swindle, from Old French quanart,
duck, from caner, to cackle, of imitative origin.]

Kevin Brooks wrote:
Eunometic wrote:

This Messerschmitt P.1011 "Ente" proposal is a clear canard designe:
http://www.luft46.com/mess/meente.html

So clearly Messerschmitt were aware of the advantages a canard
offered.

Wow. And only what, forty years or so after the Wright bothers used a
canard?

Rats! You beat me to it ...

From: Peter Twydell
Date: 8/18/2004 2:15 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

In article , Eunometic
writes

canard:
An unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story.

[French, duck, canard, probably from the phrase vendre un canard à
moitié, to half-sell a duck, to swindle, from Old French quanart,
duck, from caner, to cackle, of imitative origin.]

So a base canard is a duck with a deep voice?
--
Peter


Stop, you are quacking me up over here.

Dan, U.S, Air Force, retired