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Purchase of glider from Canada
Hi,
I am hoping to find someone in the US who has purchased a glider from Canada and had some time to share what is needed for a smooth transaction. I guess I need to find out: - what sort of Bill of Sale for an international sale - how to check if there are liens on the glider - it is Canadian registered standard certificate, what needs to be don on US side - pre purchase inspection outside of US - US import fees - US taxes - etc Any thoughts experience would be appreciated as I am new to this Thanks Ken |
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Ken,
I have no experience with Canada, but recently bought my first glider (partnered with 2 others). Two things I wish I had paid more attention to: -Make sure the bill of sale includes mention of the trailer, and how much it is valued at, or get a separate bill of sale for the trailer. -Trailers in US are often Titled in the state they are registered. It can be a headache to Title (and get license plates for) a trailer that does not have a Title. I don't know what Canada does, but try to get as official a document as possible for the trailer as is available, but at minimum a bill of sale listing the trailer and its cost. You might also make sure you get a Title or similar Canada document for the glider, if any such thing is available. Proving transfer of ownership is a big deal. In the US aircraft are simply registerd with FAA and generally not Titled, as near as I can tell. Rich L. |
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Before leaving to get glider, arrange insurance effective the day money and documents change hands.
It's generally easier getting a glider and trailer into the US from Canada than the other way around. But don't borrow a plate from your buddies. I've seen customs check VIN against plate – and their disappointment when they matched. One nasty gotcha is radium dialed instruments. Get rid of them BEFORE crossing into the US. Those big yellow vertical panels at land crossings are radiation detectors. Free disposal in Canada: https://www.cnl.ca/en/home/environme...-programs.aspx Expensive in the US. Check with your local FSDO and glider A&P what they want to see. Export CofA either direction for a used glider is likely a waste of time and money. Every state has its own requirements for trailers. You might want to consider registering the trailer in Montana,especially if you are passing through.. Personal property tax is different in every state. Check with local glider owners. Yes, separate bills of sale for glider and trailer. Temporary plates for trailer are usually easy to obtain. The seller should accompany you to the provincial licensing office. As in the US the CofR must be returned, in Canada's case to the regional Transport Canada office. Take the CofR to the post office and ExpressPost it to TC along with statement that registration letters removed and code removed from transponder - they now charge $200. https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/avi...-aircraft.html A Canadian seller cannot take the glider across the border without customs broker paperwork. He might get hit with a $10,000 fine. |
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Ken,
The ship must be de-registered in Canada, which means it’s dropped from Canadian aircraft rolls and its C bumper is removed. Best way to do this is what the FAA calls an “Airworthiness for Export” license. Armed with this, you request US registration including US “N” number. The feds will in due time, license the ship and issue Airworthiness certificate. Get separate bill of sale for trailer. No export fee at this time, but there’s no telling what Mr. Chaos might dream up next! Enjoy the ride, may take several months, JJ |
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I guess it's because I had the proper paperwork with me, but when I towed a glider from the lower 48 to Alaska in May, neither Canadian nor US customs asked for any paperwork for the glider or trailer. YMMV
Mike |
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On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:58:48 PM UTC-7, Mike Reid wrote:
I guess it's because I had the proper paperwork with me, but when I towed a glider from the lower 48 to Alaska in May, neither Canadian nor US customs asked for any paperwork for the glider or trailer. YMMV Mike Mike, what paperwork was needed to move a US SH glider and Cobra trailer from the US to a new owner in Canada? |
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On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:58:48 PM UTC-7, Mike Reid wrote: I guess it's because I had the proper paperwork with me, but when I towed a glider from the lower 48 to Alaska in May, neither Canadian nor US customs asked for any paperwork for the glider or trailer. YMMV Mike Mike, what paperwork was needed to move a US SH glider and Cobra trailer from the US to a new owner in Canada? Here is what Transport Canada requires: https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/avi...-aircraft.html I believe there may a problem importing an aircraft to Canada registered experimental in the US. Best to review this carefully before proceeding: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...-menu-2753.htm Tom |
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On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:33:11 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:43:18 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:58:48 PM UTC-7, Mike Reid wrote: I guess it's because I had the proper paperwork with me, but when I towed a glider from the lower 48 to Alaska in May, neither Canadian nor US customs asked for any paperwork for the glider or trailer. YMMV Mike Mike, what paperwork was needed to move a US SH glider and Cobra trailer from the US to a new owner in Canada? Here is what Transport Canada requires: https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/avi...-aircraft.html I believe there may a problem importing an aircraft to Canada registered experimental in the US. Best to review this carefully before proceeding: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...-menu-2753.htm Tom For the trailer, here's the website with all the info. https://www.riv.ca/ImporterChecklist.aspx ; also check the "before you import" list on the left side. |
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"I believe there may a problem importing an aircraft to Canada registered experimental in the US. Best to review this carefully before proceeding"
Many factory built gliders in the US are registered Experimental. In my case, I imported an Experimental ASW-20 from the US to Canada where it received a Standard CofA. Later it was sold back to the US where it is now Experimental. The real thing to watch for is inadequate documentation of any repairs. Dave Springford coordinates imports. I was happy to use him even after I had already done an import on my own: http://www.foxonecorp.com/index.php/...port-brokering |
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It's been a few years but I remember the process as being fairly easy, after you understand it. The aircraft part is fairly straightforward.
The Trailer is a bit tricky. Get a separate bill of sale for the trailer. Keep the Canadian tag on it, take the Canadian title with you. Drive it home, take the Canadian title (registration) & the bill of sale to your local DMV. Get a US tag & title for the trailer. Mail the Canadian tag back to the Seller in Canada so that they can turn it in. Getting a US tag for the trailer, even if you state does not require one, will help you with re-sale. Most US banks can get you a "Cashiers" check in Canadian funds for your Canadian seller. It's not may not be called a Cashiers check, the bank will know what you need. as I said it's been a while. Calling the aircraft registration guys at the FAA was helpful. You need the forms (including the Canadian De-Registration docs) & documentation to register the aircraft, and then another set of forms to get an airworthiness inspection & certificate. Looks like most of that is done online now. Understand everything required before you go to Canada, including making sure you have insurance on the trailer & the glider in advance of taking it home. |
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