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I'm wonder how this would play
out: a. Person designs a unique plane, one of a kind, no other ones to compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, and only someone "trained" can fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. Thanks. -- Mark |
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On Jan 1, 9:49*am, wrote:
I'm wonder how this would play out: a. Person designs a unique plane, * *one of a kind, no other ones to * *compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, * *and only someone "trained" can * *fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. *Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. *No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. *Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. Thanks. -- Mark It looks kinda like this, except no pusher prop, or winglets. It has 11 control surfaces. http://www.electravia.fr/Eclub/ECnoirA.jpg How do I certify it? --- Mark |
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On 1/1/2013 11:37 AM, Mark IV wrote:
How do I certify it? Assuming you are in the USA, you certify it the same way you certify any homebuilt airplane. As always, Google is your friend in any search for knowledge. In this particular case however, you might want to start with the EAA. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuil...ing/index.html or at least: eaa.org/ Vaughn |
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The answer is simple: It is an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. It
does not have to meet any certification standards. It only has to have the required markings and the record-keeping to show that it was built for "education or recreation". The unusual control system is moot, as is the fact that it takes special training to learn to fly it. The FAA doesn't care, for an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. What MIGHT happen, though, is the FAA might assign a more-limited test area, and require longer than the traditional 40 hour test period before the plane can be flown outside the area. Ron Wanttaja On 1/1/2013 6:49 AM, wrote: I'm wonder how this would play out: a. Person designs a unique plane, one of a kind, no other ones to compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, and only someone "trained" can fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. |
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On Jan 1, 5:20*pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
The answer is simple: *It is an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. *It does not have to meet any certification standards. *It only has to have the required markings and the record-keeping to show that it was built for "education or recreation". *The unusual control system is moot, as is the fact that it takes special training to learn to fly it. *The FAA doesn't care, for an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. What MIGHT happen, though, is the FAA might assign a more-limited test area, and require longer than the traditional 40 hour test period before the plane can be flown outside the area. Ron Wanttaja On 1/1/2013 6:49 AM, wrote: I'm wonder how this would play out: a. Person designs a unique plane, * * one of a kind, no other ones to * * compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, * * and only someone "trained" can * * fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. *Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. *No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. *Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. Thank you all for your input, as amateur-built is new to me. Interesting note: Shortly after posting my question I ran into a very nice fellow (Joe) who was wearing a "Reno Air Races" ball cap and we struck up a conversation. It wasn't long before he was pulling photos out of his wallet of the planes he built over the years, including entries for Reno. His specialty now is Zenair STOL's. Anyway, Joe's dad (who is in his 90's) has served in some capacity with Flight Certification over the years and much information was shared with me. Seems the main thing is, they will need entry ports of observation to check for safety wires, and other such basic requirements. The time will have to be flown off the plane, and technically, being experimental, it isn't supposed to be flown over population centers. So... you all are right. Thanks. --- Mark |
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, Mark IV wrote: On Jan 1, 5:20*pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote: The answer is simple: *It is an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. *It does not have to meet any certification standards. *It only has to have the required markings and the record-keeping to show that it was built for "education or recreation". *The unusual control system is moot, as is the fact that it takes special training to learn to fly it. *The FAA doesn't care, for an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. What MIGHT happen, though, is the FAA might assign a more-limited test area, and require longer than the traditional 40 hour test period before the plane can be flown outside the area. Ron Wanttaja On 1/1/2013 6:49 AM, wrote: I'm wonder how this would play out: a. Person designs a unique plane, * * one of a kind, no other ones to * * compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, * * and only someone "trained" can * * fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. *Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. *No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. *Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. Thank you all for your input, as amateur-built is new to me. Interesting note: Shortly after posting my question I ran into a very nice fellow (Joe) who was wearing a "Reno Air Races" ball cap and we struck up a conversation. It wasn't long before he was pulling photos out of his wallet of the planes he built over the years, including entries for Reno. His specialty now is Zenair STOL's. Anyway, Joe's dad (who is in his 90's) has served in some capacity with Flight Certification over the years and much information was shared with me. Seems the main thing is, they will need entry ports of observation to check for safety wires, and other such basic requirements. The time will have to be flown off the plane, and technically, being experimental, it isn't supposed to be flown over population centers. So... you all are right. Thanks. --- Mark My question: Why does it have to have a unique, nonstandard control system that nobody else can fly without special training? It seem to me that it violates a very important principle that has cost dearly -- namely the KISS Principle, or: Keep It Simple, Stupid! |
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On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:34:24 PM UTC-5, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article , Mark IV wrote: On Jan 1, 5:20*pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote: The answer is simple: *It is an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft.. *It does not have to meet any certification standards. *It only has to have the required markings and the record-keeping to show that it was built for "education or recreation". *The unusual control system is moot, as is the fact that it takes special training to learn to fly it. *The FAA doesn't care, for an Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft. What MIGHT happen, though, is the FAA might assign a more-limited test area, and require longer than the traditional 40 hour test period before the plane can be flown outside the area. Ron Wanttaja On 1/1/2013 6:49 AM, wrote: I'm wonder how this would play out: a. Person designs a unique plane, * * one of a kind, no other ones to * * compare it to. b. It is a single-seater. c. It has unique control surfaces, * * and only someone "trained" can * * fly it. d. Gear is retractable. e. Propulsion is "rather mysterious". Now, how would this plane be certified? No one else can fly it. *Much of the technology is sealed beneath carbon fiber. *No one knows how fast it goes. It is homebuilt. *Builder is willing to concede that it isn't lightsport. Thank you all for your input, as amateur-built is new to me. Interesting note: Shortly after posting my question I ran into a very nice fellow (Joe) who was wearing a "Reno Air Races" ball cap and we struck up a conversation. It wasn't long before he was pulling photos out of his wallet of the planes he built over the years, including entries for Reno. His specialty now is Zenair STOL's. Anyway, Joe's dad (who is in his 90's) has served in some capacity with Flight Certification over the years and much information was shared with me. Seems the main thing is, they will need entry ports of observation to check for safety wires, and other such basic requirements. The time will have to be flown off the plane, and technically, being experimental, it isn't supposed to be flown over population centers. So... you all are right. Thanks. --- Mark My question: Why does it have to have a unique, nonstandard control system that nobody else can fly without special training? It seem to me that it violates a very important principle that has cost dearly -- namely the KISS Principle, or: Keep It Simple, Stupid! It's a little complicated, and goes all the way back to the Horton Brothers, and Mr. Northrop. Coming forward in time, look at why Andrews Air Force base is named after Mr. Andrews, and finally... we see why the greatest airplane flying today, the B-2 Spirit, as well as the X47B and others like it depend on a "fly-by-wire" system directed with software from the Moog corporation. To maintain yaw and pitch authority within limited moments at high g's. --- Mark |
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