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Best modern jet fighter???
As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter
in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:20:59 +0200, Icarus wrote:
As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... Neither the F-22 nor Typhoon are in squadron service yet, so I imagine it's roughly a tie between the Gripen, the F/A-18 and various Flanker derivatives. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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"Icarus" wrote in message ... As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... To do what? |
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John Doe wrote in message ... "Icarus" wrote in message ... As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... To do what? Most succesful air superiority (proven, series) F-15. Most capable air superiority (low/no combat record) Su-27 (Ethyopia)/Su-30MKI (India). Best all-round (proven, series) F-16C. Best all-round (by figures) MiG-29SMT (SMT2, MRCA) Best fighter/interceptor (proven, combat) F-14A (Iranian); Best pure "true supersonic" interceptor (by figures, series) MiG-31 Better than expected "true supersonic" fighter/interceptor (proven, series): MiG-25PD(e) (Iraq/Iran war, Gulf 1) Now, "raw" figures point to the situation above.However, the introduction of R-77 for Russian (Su-27, Su-30), Indian (MiG-21/93, modified MiG-29-12b, "custom" Su-30MKI) and Malesian AF ("custom" MiG-29SE) could change tide-but only on "figures" side. Naval multirole fighters would include F/A-18 (US, all versions, series, proven) and MiG-29K (by "figures" for India, very similar to MiG-29SMT/M). But, the pilot QUALITY is a big factor-for example, handful of Iraqi MiG-25PD(e)'s piloted by elite pilots were dangerous, while their numerous MiG-23ML/29As piloted by inepts were sitting ducks. Same goes for alleged victory of Ethyopian (Russian-flown) Su-27s over Erythreyan (Ukrainian-flown) MiG-29s (using R-73 missiles). Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA |
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"Nele VII" wrote Most succesful air superiority (proven, series) F-15. Most capable air superiority (low/no combat record) Su-27 (Ethyopia)/Su-30MKI (India). Best all-round (proven, series) F-16C. Best all-round (by figures) MiG-29SMT (SMT2, MRCA) Best fighter/interceptor (proven, combat) F-14A (Iranian); Best pure "true supersonic" interceptor (by figures, series) MiG-31 Better than expected "true supersonic" fighter/interceptor (proven, series): MiG-25PD(e) (Iraq/Iran war, Gulf 1) Now, "raw" figures point to the situation above.However, the introduction of R-77 for Russian (Su-27, Su-30), Indian (MiG-21/93, modified MiG-29-12b, "custom" Su-30MKI) and Malesian AF ("custom" MiG-29SE) could change tide-but only on "figures" side. Naval multirole fighters would include F/A-18 (US, all versions, series, proven) and MiG-29K (by "figures" for India, very similar to MiG-29SMT/M). But, the pilot QUALITY is a big factor-for example, handful of Iraqi MiG-25PD(e)'s piloted by elite pilots were dangerous, while their numerous MiG-23ML/29As piloted by inepts were sitting ducks. Same goes for alleged victory of Ethyopian (Russian-flown) Su-27s over Erythreyan (Ukrainian-flown) MiG-29s (using R-73 missiles). Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA Look...It's Kurt Plummer, reconstituted, translated into Russian, then back to English. Pete |
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Dav1936531 wrote in message ... From: "Pete" Look...It's Kurt Plummer, reconstituted, translated into Russian, then back to English. Pete Now THAT'S funny!! Dave Yes... and I am not Russian! )) Nele NULLA ROSA SINE SPINA |
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"Icarus" wrote in message ... As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... F-15C. Unchallenged combat record. How much combat has the SU-27/37 seen? Call me when they get some actual experience. |
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"Ragnar" skrev i en meddelelse
... "Icarus" wrote in message ... As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... F-15C. Unchallenged combat record. How much combat has the SU-27/37 seen? Call me when they get some actual experience. Well as far as i remember, there has been air-to-air combat between Ethiopian and Eriterian (spelling?) Su-27's and MiG-29, in which the Su-27 shot down a couple of MiG-29's, so the Su-27 does have combat experience against the same aircraft as the F-15. As far as I know the F-15 has "only" fought against Iraqi and Serbian MiG's, so they do have similar combat experience, although the F-15 most likely have flown more combat hours. As for which is the best jet fighter, then I would say that it will depend on pilot skill and the situation. Regards Søren Augustesen PS: Just to be clear on one thing: I dont' have any combat/flying experience (all I know is from books,web, talking with pilots ect.) so to some people here I'm just a "wannabe" who dont know anything ;o) |
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"SA" wrote in message
. .. "Ragnar" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Icarus" wrote in message ... As the subject says, I'd like to know which is the best modern jet fighter in your opinion??? Personaly, my bet is on Su 27 family-in particular the Su 37 fighter... F-15C. Unchallenged combat record. How much combat has the SU-27/37 seen? Call me when they get some actual experience. Well as far as i remember, there has been air-to-air combat between Ethiopian and Eriterian (spelling?) Su-27's and MiG-29, in which the Su-27 shot down a couple of MiG-29's, so the Su-27 does have combat experience against the same aircraft as the F-15. As far as I know the F-15 has "only" fought against Iraqi and Serbian MiG's, so they do have similar combat experience, although the F-15 most likely have flown more combat hours. Don't forget, the US proxy forces in Israel have used their versions of the F-15 fairly extensively. As for which is the best jet fighter, then I would say that it will depend on pilot skill and the situation. Absolutely. John |
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