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CFII instructor as passenger (FAA)
It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without
logging (or being) PIC. In one instance, I did some instrument training in my aero-club's Grumman Tiger. The instrument instructor I used was not yet checked out in the aircraft type in the club. So, from a club insurance point of view, he was unable to be insured as PIC in that aircraft at that time. I HAD been checked out by another instructor, and on his suggestion, we agreed that I was the PIC for the entire flight, and that he was providing instrument instruction. Dave wrote: Hello, I can't find a reference for this in the FAR/AIM. The question, in the context of FAA IR training, is whether a) I (assume I am legally PIC in the airspace in question) can carry a CFII as a mere passenger, and b) can the instructor take over as an instructor at an agreed point in the flight c) can the instructor revert to being a passenger at an agreed point after the training took place I am sure the answer to a) must be yes - it would be silly otherwise. It's b) and c) I am not sure about. Any response would be very interesting - with references please if anyone feels this is illegal. |
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Dave S wrote:
It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without logging (or being) PIC. Further, the pilot can log PIC even if the instructor is PIC (as long as he is the sole manipulator of an aircraft for which he is rated). Further, the instructor can log PIC time while giving instruction regardless of who is actually the PIC. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
... Dave S wrote: It IS possible for an instructor to give dual instruction without logging (or being) PIC. Further, the pilot can log PIC even if the instructor is PIC (as long as he is the sole manipulator of an aircraft for which he is rated). Further, the instructor can log PIC time while giving instruction regardless of who is actually the PIC. Really? Surely you can only have one PIC? Perhaps it's different over here (UK), but if an instructor and a student are flying in conditions that fit the student's current licence entitlement, then as I see it, _either_ the student can log PIC _or_ the instructor can, but not both. If the conditions exceed that of the student's licence (e.g. you're in IMC under tuition for your instrument rating) then the instructor would be PIC and the student "pilot undergoing tuition"). The only situation I can think of where you could both "almost" be PIC is when you're having a practical examination, at which point the examiner is P1 and the student "P1 under supervision". Though I'm sure someone will find a hole in my logic :-) D. |
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David Cartwright wrote:
Really? Surely you can only have one PIC? You are confusing logging PIC time with actually *being* PIC. They are not the same in the States. George Patterson Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry, and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing? Because she smells like a new truck. |
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