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Be aware that the aiport manager at Friedman Airport [SUN] has decided
to close SUN to all VFR traffic on several days in July. The days in question coincide with the arrival and departure of the "big guys" in their Lears, Falcons, & G-5's who will be attending the annual Allen Conference at Sun Valley. The big guys are Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, et. al. who don't want to be inconvenienced by us VFR'ers. AOPA is involved, letters have been written to both the FAA & the airport manager. The airport manager can not arbitrarily make a decision like this. Per FAA Administration Order 5190.6A "In all cases the FAA will make the final determination of the reasonableness of the airport owner's restrictions which denied or restricted use of the airport". If you are concerned about this, as I am, because of the precedent it sets at SUN, I urge you to write [soon, because time is short] to the FAA official who will make the decision; Mr. Kelly Moffitt Salt Lake Air Route Traffic Control Center Traffic Management Officer 2150 West 700 North Salt Lake City, Utah 84116 and Mr. Richard Baird Friedman Memorial Airport Airport Manager P.O. Box 929 Hailey, Idaho 83333 Cheers, and safe flying, T. Sanders |
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[snip] Be aware that the aiport manager at Friedman Airport [SUN] has decided to close SUN to all VFR traffic on several days in July. The days in question coincide with the arrival and departure of the "big guys" in their Lears, Falcons, & G-5's who will be attending the annual Allen Conference at Sun Valley. The big guys are Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, et. al. who don't want to be inconvenienced by us VFR'ers. AOPA is involved, letters have been written to both the FAA & the airport manager. The airport manager can not arbitrarily make a decision like this. Per FAA Administration Order 5190.6A "In all cases the FAA will make the final determination of the reasonableness of the airport owner's restrictions which denied or restricted use of the airport". This came up on April 21 Can they do this? Restrict airport to IFR traffic only? (55 replies) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V50D2585B (same as long link at bottom ...wait for it) http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?issue_date=04-20-2005&ID=2005102705 Idaho Mountain Express news story. (4-20-05) Looks to me like the type of problem an airport would welcome - where do we put all the jets? Think of it as a one day air show ...bring a couple of lawn chairs and a cooler. g But yes, I agree with you on not wanting to set a (bad) precedent in this case. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_frm/thread/da08440cd5a22e4c/29d973218e060712?tvc=1&q=sun+%2B+vfr&hl=en#29d9732 18e060712 (rec.aviation.piloting thread about closing SUN to VFR traffic over The Fourth. 55 replies) Montblack |
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![]() wrote in message ups.com... Be aware that the aiport manager at Friedman Airport [SUN] has decided to close SUN to all VFR traffic on several days in July. The days in question coincide with the arrival and departure of the "big guys" in their Lears, Falcons, & G-5's who will be attending the annual Allen Conference at Sun Valley. The big guys are Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, et. al. who don't want to be inconvenienced by us VFR'ers. I doubt Gates, Buffet, Greenspan and the other attendees know or care about VFR traffic. This just sounds like an airport manager who is overstepping his authority. Michael |
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"Michael 182" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Be aware that the aiport manager at Friedman Airport [SUN] has decided to close SUN to all VFR traffic on several days in July. The days in question coincide with the arrival and departure of the "big guys" in their Lears, Falcons, & G-5's who will be attending the annual Allen Conference at Sun Valley. The big guys are Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, et. al. who don't want to be inconvenienced by us VFR'ers. I doubt Gates, Buffet, Greenspan and the other attendees know or care about VFR traffic. This just sounds like an airport manager who is overstepping his authority. Michael What is the fine for such action? -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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Friedman is an uncontrolled field. How do they propose to close it to VFR
traffic? Park fuel trucks on the runway until a jet appears? Lock the hangar doors on locally-based non-IFR aircraft? What's he going to do to me if I land there without management permission? "Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news ![]() In article , "Michael 182" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Be aware that the aiport manager at Friedman Airport [SUN] has decided to close SUN to all VFR traffic on several days in July. The days in question coincide with the arrival and departure of the "big guys" in their Lears, Falcons, & G-5's who will be attending the annual Allen Conference at Sun Valley. The big guys are Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, et. al. who don't want to be inconvenienced by us VFR'ers. I doubt Gates, Buffet, Greenspan and the other attendees know or care about VFR traffic. This just sounds like an airport manager who is overstepping his authority. Michael What is the fine for such action? -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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![]() Seth Masia wrote: Friedman is an uncontrolled field. How do they propose to close it to VFR traffic? Park fuel trucks on the runway until a jet appears? Lock the hangar doors on locally-based non-IFR aircraft? How about closing it to VFR traffic via NOTAM? What's he going to do to me if I land there without management permission? He could report you to the FAA. Landing at a field that is closed to you by NOTAM might indicate a deficiency in your preflight planning (or worse). John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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![]() "John Galban" wrote in message oups.com... Seth Masia wrote: Friedman is an uncontrolled field. How do they propose to close it to VFR traffic? Park fuel trucks on the runway until a jet appears? Lock the hangar doors on locally-based non-IFR aircraft? How about closing it to VFR traffic via NOTAM? What's he going to do to me if I land there without management permission? He could report you to the FAA. Landing at a field that is closed to you by NOTAM might indicate a deficiency in your preflight planning (or worse). John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) How does a NOTAM like that come about - does the airport manager have to get permission from the FAA? Michael |
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![]() Seth Masia wrote: Friedman is an uncontrolled field. What do you consider to be an "uncontrolled field?" SUN certainly DOES have an operating control tower from 0700-2300. As charted, Class D airspace is in effect when the (non-federal) control tower is open. How do they propose to close it to VFR traffic? Park fuel trucks on the runway until a jet appears? VFR has to do with flight rules. What does the type of engine do with anything under discussion? Lock the hangar doors on locally-based non-IFR aircraft? Issuing a NOTAM would take care of it. What's he going to do to me if I land there without management permission? It's a non issue because VFR traffic WILL be permitted, if you have an active slot reservation. However if you violate a rule for that airport, you could be subject to penalties. If an airport is closed to aircraft above 12,500 lbs and you show up in something heavier than that, sorry for you. A jet recently sailed off a runway at Bader and splashed into the bay. That airport prohibits jet powered aircraft operations. Should be interesting to see what happens as a result of that infraction alone, although it was a foreign crew and foreign aircraft so who knows. |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:57:26 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in WvVwe.7757$GP6.2379@trndny03:: The FAA will implement a Special Traffic Management Program (STMP) for SUN. IFR traffic will need a "slot reservation" for arrivals July 1 through 10. VFR arrivals need a reservation for arrivals on July 5 and July 10. Slot reservations can be obtained through the FAA's e-STMP Web site or by calling 800/875-9755. Reservations can be made no earlier than 72 hours in advance of the requested arrival time. Given the quote above, is it correct to believe that VFR arrivals will not require a slot reservation from July 1 through July 4 nor July 6 through July 9? Or are VFR arrivals restricted from the airport during those dates? |
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