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I missed this article when it first appeared.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Flyin...=949148&page=1 Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA pilots? AJ |
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On 16 Nov 2005 20:59:44 -0800, "AJ" wrote:
Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA pilots? Interesting twice in Sport Pilot category: it becomes impossible to know whether a pilot is active. In the case of George Bush or Dudley Henriques, we know from the "no current medical" that the pilot (probably) no longer flies. So for all practical purposes, the number of pilot certificates granted now becomes the number of pilots there are. Does the FAA even purge its files when the pilot dies? -- all the best, Dan Ford email: usenet AT danford DOT net Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com the blog: www.danford.net In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com |
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AJ wrote:
I missed this article when it first appeared. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Flyin...=949148&page=1 Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA pilots? AJ Not sure whether to respond with "no" or "hell no" here....Hrm... Ok, yeah, I'll go with "hell no".... The darlings of the Sport Pilot rule - SLSA and ELSA - are already priced well beyond affordability even in 2005 dollars and even beyond acceptable bang/buck. Bottom dollar for an SLSA is about 70 large already and I don't see that figure coming down in the forseeable future (and it'll likely go up!). ELSA are going to be around the same price...... In fact, some manufacturers/dealers (such as Kolb aircraft) have already withdrawn their initial offerings into this market due to low demand. Some are stepping out and trying it out such as Rans who are now offering an "LSA" version of the S7 Courier (not clear from the website exactly what certification it has tho. Might be worth a phone call to find out). But it's 75 grand (I think you could get a quick build of the same plane for a little more than half that). Zenith has an actual SLSA on the market now (genuine SLSA certification) but it's 80 grand too. Slim pickin's indeed........ Instead, most aircraft that will be flown under the rule at least in the visible future will be standard category a/c and experimental A/B a/c that fit within the LSA limitations. I don't see Sport Pilot or LSA making much headway here at least not for a long time, and even then it still looks like solidly the domain of rich people only..... LS N646F |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:47:36 GMT, ls
wrote: AJ wrote: I missed this article when it first appeared. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Flyin...=949148&page=1 Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA pilots? AJ Not sure whether to respond with "no" or "hell no" here....Hrm... Ok, yeah, I'll go with "hell no".... The darlings of the Sport Pilot rule - SLSA and ELSA - are already priced well beyond affordability even in 2005 dollars and even beyond acceptable bang/buck. Bottom dollar for an SLSA is about 70 large already and I don't see that figure coming down in the forseeable future (and it'll likely go up!). ELSA are going to be around the same price...... You have to look at the big picture. ![]() From my numbers, the prices averaged about $58,000 and rose to about $68,000 when demand picked up a bit. As more competitors enter the market, supply pressures will force prices to go down. There is a lot of interest right now. Say maybe three years before things creep down again. A good healty short term economic profit is not always a bad thing. Yes, currently people like me cannot afford the plane, but since there is a solid profit to be made, a lot of manufacturers will enter the market that might have been on the fence. Competition breeds diversity and innovation which is never a bad thing. I've seen some pretty damn novel aircraft sporting features that aren't offered by cessna or piper. And eventually the prices come down. God bless the free market system. Also, the prices aint really bad, if you look at it from a FBO's perspective. I'm a little curious how Diamond is feeling about their brand spanking new DA-20. They are marketing them to schools at $160K. Subtract the Garmin and other goodies, the base airframe is like $140 or so. Your typical LSA is half the price, out performs the warhorse 152 and you can train private pilots in it. Jim http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org |
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Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA pilots? No reason it shouldn't. With the proper marketing campaign (maybe AOPA & EAA can team up on this?) we should be attracting far more people to flying. Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to be pretty affordable, no? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:_K0ff.579174$xm3.389762@attbi_s21... Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to be pretty affordable, no? See eBay item 4587252624 I'm still considering getting a Sport-CFI added to my PP. It may be a while though... -Greg B. |
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A sign of the times in that ad: "Sorry, no international students" in
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Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen
none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to be pretty affordable, no? St. Charles Flying Service at 3SQ is (the last time I checked) only 1 of 2 part 141 schools in the country. They had a writeup in AOPA Pilot recently. They have 2 Evektor Sport Star trainers. They rent for the same price as their (beat-up) 172's, but are obviously newer. They quote a complete 141 SP package price of less than $3k. http://www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com/lightsport.php I'm based at a field near there (KSET) and they are buzzing around all the time, so they are definetely getting a lot of use. Comments I've heard are that they are a "really fun" to fly. I got my PP and Instrument ratings at 3SQ and they are a great bunch of people to work with. Brian |
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Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have
seen none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to be pretty affordable, no? See http://www.sportpilot.org/instructors/. There are a few Sport instructors around... |
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Yep, I didn't say there weren't. I just noted the issue about part
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