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Unpaved Landing areas
How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a
paved runway? The current books don't give it much thought and I suspect because the writers are so new at this aviation thing, they have little or no experience on anything but paved runways. Part of the reason for this post was the resistance to more than a few to not land on a great 2000' grass strip that has an Interstate on one end, and trees on the other. I have no idea why they are afraid to land on this strip. There are at least three grass strips of 2000' length in this area and some that are longer (one is about 4000'). What has your experience been? I have no idea how much time I have operating off strips of 1200' or less, grass, gravel, sand, etc and no problems. Must be at least thousands of them, both in terms of take off and landings as well as hours. Ol S&B |
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, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? The current books don't give it much thought and I suspect because the writers are so new at this aviation thing, they have little or no experience on anything but paved runways. Part of the reason for this post was the resistance to more than a few to not land on a great 2000' grass strip that has an Interstate on one end, and trees on the other. I have no idea why they are afraid to land on this strip. There are at least three grass strips of 2000' length in this area and some that are longer (one is about 4000'). What has your experience been? I have no idea how much time I have operating off strips of 1200' or less, grass, gravel, sand, etc and no problems. Must be at least thousands of them, both in terms of take off and landings as well as hours. Ol S&B I used to as often as I could. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flypics/ghmidfinal.jpg |
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Dale wrote:
In article , "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? The current books don't give it much thought and I suspect because the writers are so new at this aviation thing, they have little or no experience on anything but paved runways. Part of the reason for this post was the resistance to more than a few to not land on a great 2000' grass strip that has an Interstate on one end, and trees on the other. I have no idea why they are afraid to land on this strip. There are at least three grass strips of 2000' length in this area and some that are longer (one is about 4000'). What has your experience been? I have no idea how much time I have operating off strips of 1200' or less, grass, gravel, sand, etc and no problems. Must be at least thousands of them, both in terms of take off and landings as well as hours. Ol S&B I used to as often as I could. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flypics/ghmidfinal.jpg OH, wow.! -- Regards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI |
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Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? Hardly ever. Insurance policies increasingly prohibit it. -c |
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On Jun 26, 1:19*pm, gatt wrote:
Ol Shy & Bashful wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? Hardly ever. Insurance policies increasingly prohibit it. -c Ah...that is part of the problem and why? Lack of experience on the parts of the instructors who train pilots to operate of such strips? And, why is that? Has to be an accident rate caused by pilots who had no idea what in hell they were doing? What is happening to the experienced guys who have a hard time landing on paved runways and controlled airports? Are we nearing extinction? Amazed at the rapid response to this post |
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Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
On Jun 26, 1:19 pm, gatt wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? Hardly ever. Insurance policies increasingly prohibit it. Ah...that is part of the problem and why? Lack of experience on the parts of the instructors who train pilots to operate of such strips? Maybe, I don't know. I did quite a few grass-strip landings with my instructor during primary training. It wasn't until after I started renting from various FBOs that I ran into the "no soft-field landings" policy. It's hard for me to blame the instructors; the ones I know are seasoned pilots (I've avoided the CFI mills so far) who almost certainly wouldn't have a problem. Sure wouldn't bother me to do them, either. -c |
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"gatt" wrote in message ... Ol Shy & Bashful wrote: On Jun 26, 1:19 pm, gatt wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? Hardly ever. Insurance policies increasingly prohibit it. Ah...that is part of the problem and why? Lack of experience on the parts of the instructors who train pilots to operate of such strips? Maybe, I don't know. I did quite a few grass-strip landings with my instructor during primary training. It wasn't until after I started renting from various FBOs that I ran into the "no soft-field landings" policy. Is "no soft fields" the same as "no unpaved fields"? I could make a good argument that it isn't. -c |
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"gatt" wrote in message
... Ol Shy & Bashful wrote: How often do you get to land or take off from something other than a paved runway? Hardly ever. Insurance policies increasingly prohibit it. Such is the case with my insurance. I suppose I could probably pay more for the privelege, but there's not that many in which I care to land and the wear and tear to my nosewheel plane just isn't worth it. Besides I can always hitch a ride with a tailwheel buddy or rent a Citabria if I have a turf runway itch I need to scratch. |
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Mike wrote:
Such is the case with my insurance. I suppose I could probably pay more for the privelege, but there's not that many in which I care to land and the wear and tear to my nosewheel plane just isn't worth it. Besides I can always hitch a ride with a tailwheel buddy or rent a Citabria if I have a turf runway itch I need to scratch. Strange. I've never had a policy that prohibited unpaved runways and I've been buying 'em since 1990. Out here in the west, a large number of public use airports have unpaved runways. Unpaved doesn't necessarily mean wear and tear on the nosewheel. I've been landing my Cherokee on strips like these for more than a dozen yrs. and have never had any nosegear problems : http://members.cox.net/jgalban/12f70900.jpg http://members.cox.net/jgalban/1c180890.jpg http://members.cox.net/jgalban/1ed9bf40.jpg http://members.cox.net/jgalban/1fa9bf40.jpg http://members.cox.net/jgalban/13e15900.jpg There are a lot of very unique unpaved public airports in the country. Your missing out. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com |
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Unpaved doesn't necessarily mean wear and tear on the nosewheel. I've been landing my Cherokee on strips like these for more than a dozen yrs. and have never had any nosegear problems : http://members.cox.net/jgalban/12f70900.jpg That runway looks better marked than some of the "paved" runways I used... I must admit that the only runways I use nowadays are simulated (can I argue that they are "not paved" ;-) ). But back when Jimmy Carter was still in office, I flew off grass regularly. I assume that at least some people still do - when I look at the local charts, there are still plenty of small grass strips around. Note: I still do get to ride in real life on occasion, but I am so rusty that there is no way I would attempt to land something like the T-18 or the Pitts that I get rides in - I did attempt a takeoff in the T-18 at Eau Claire WI a few years back - good thing the runway was 150 feet wide - I needed every inch. -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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