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Aspen at night
All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized
at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night. How do they do it? rg |
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Ron Garret wrote:
All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). snip Actually, that night prohibition was in effect when the Gulfstream III crashed. I recall reading that this was one of the pressures the two pilots were under to land there, as they were late leaving the LA area. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X00738&key=1 -- Peter |
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Ron Garret wrote:
All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night. How do they do it? rg Special, carrier-specific authorizations based on specialized, FAA-approved training and airport familiarity requirements. |
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"Ron Garret" wrote in message ... All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night. How do they do it? rg Maybe they only fly in VMC? |
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Private non-published approach.
"Ron Garret" wrote in message ... | All the approach plates for Aspen are marked "Procedure not authorized | at night" (presumably a result of the G4 crash a few years back). And | yet there are commercial flights scheduled to land as Aspen at night. | How do they do it? | | rg |
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In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08,
"Jim Macklin" wrote: Private non-published approach. Cool. How do I get me one of those? rg |
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:-) frank |
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clipclip wrote:
Ron Garret Wrote: In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08, "Jim Macklin" wrote: Private non-published approach. Cool. How do I get me one of those? rg it's not hard. all it takes is $75-150G's of loose change available to burn rather quickly. then you hire a consulting firm specialised in approaches to draw one up and with minimums tailored to your specific on board equipment and flight crew experience levels (and hope that the minimums are not so high that they're actually useful). then you submit about 50 pounds of paper adorned with letters, numbers and pictures arranged in nice color coordinated patters to the FAA, convince them that you've met all the requirements, fly it a few times with an approved FAA rep, and wallah! you (and your co-pilot) can now take your FLIR equipped G5 in at night. :-) frank I like your spin. ;-) Actually, NetJets has been trying for about three years to get an RNP advanced procedure into ASE. Their approach path is great, but the missed approach requires sterling, uninterrupted climb performance. And, even as good as their concept is, once you get below MDA (or perhaps DA) and get further behind, missed approach wise, at ASE you are screw blue missing in a balked landing scenerio. ASE simply should not be an IFR airport, politics aside. |
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An AV-8B should have no real problem, if the engine works.
-- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. wrote in message news:VeGuf.5672$V.531@fed1read04... | clipclip wrote: | | Ron Garret Wrote: | | In article N9luf.38962$QW2.6921@dukeread08, | "Jim Macklin" wrote: | | Private non-published approach. | | Cool. How do I get me one of those? | | rg | | | it's not hard. all it takes is $75-150G's of loose change available to | burn rather quickly. then you hire a consulting firm specialised in | approaches to draw one up and with minimums tailored to your specific | on board equipment and flight crew experience levels (and hope that the | minimums are not so high that they're actually useful). then you submit | about 50 pounds of paper adorned with letters, numbers and pictures | arranged in nice color coordinated patters to the FAA, convince them | that you've met all the requirements, fly it a few times with an | approved FAA rep, and wallah! you (and your co-pilot) can now take your | FLIR equipped G5 in at night. | | :-) | | frank | | | I like your spin. ;-) | | Actually, NetJets has been trying for about three years to get an RNP | advanced procedure into ASE. Their approach path is great, but the | missed approach requires sterling, uninterrupted climb performance. | | And, even as good as their concept is, once you get below MDA (or | perhaps DA) and get further behind, missed approach wise, at ASE you are | screw blue missing in a balked landing scenerio. | | ASE simply should not be an IFR airport, politics aside. |
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Tim, is the US possible going to accept the Panops method of allowing
the application of climb gradients to missed approach segments? After all, we're expected to be able to perform this ** sterling, uninterrupted climb performance ** that you mention, on a departure anyway. So to apply a missed approach gradient requirement when an aircraft is generally lighter than on departure would be something a lot of aircraft would be able to execute. Of course, I realize that those in power would bring up many other issues, but it works in Europe, and Burbank in Calif already seems to have a waiver for a gradient greater than 2.5% Or is Netjets talking less obstacle clearance than present RNAV (gps or waas) approaches. Stan On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:18:40 -0800, wrote: Actually, NetJets has been trying for about three years to get an RNP advanced procedure into ASE. Their approach path is great, but the missed approach requires sterling, uninterrupted climb performance. And, even as good as their concept is, once you get below MDA (or perhaps DA) and get further behind, missed approach wise, at ASE you are screw blue missing in a balked landing scenerio. ASE simply should not be an IFR airport, politics aside. |
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