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![]() I got a much thicker than usual packet from Jeppesen yesterday, and the bulk of the changes were the removal of dozens of NDB IAPs. I had heard that the FAA was looking to decomission a lot of "redundant" NDB appoaches, but was surprised to see that they were really gone so soon. I guess there's nothing wrong with that, progress and all. But, having only done a few years of instrument flying (and never flying an NDB approach for "real") I was surprised at the sadness and nostalgia I felt for some old practice favorites I was pulling out of my book. OAK NDB 27R ![]() That said, I really hope they don't take away the compass locators on localizer and ILS approaches. I don't know why, but I love watching that needle flip around when I pass the marker. It's very satisfying having a totally separate and simple system confirm your location. But I guess they'll be going soon, too, as there's little reason to maintain them. I feel like my flying club is one of the last holdouts on getting IFR GPSes in their aircraft, but considering the number of RNAV/GPS plates that are going *into* the books, I think the writing is on the wall. -- dave j |
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![]() "Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... Here in Rochester, they rewrote the ILS approaches to use intersections instead of the BREIT LOM first several months ago, and then decomissioned the NDB28 approach that used BREIT last revision. Probably just a coincidence. Other NDB approaches have been deleted where the LOMs remain in use. |
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![]() I could not agree more. It's a totally new ongoing expense. It used to be that pilots were responsible for their own nav data (ie, charts and plates) and now the club is going to be responsible for it. Just a bit more squeeze, especially considering that the pilots are still going to have to have current charts/plates. It would be better if there were some other suppliers who could provide database updates -- giving a little competition. I think that some of the smaller handheld GPS companies don't use Jepp data, but take the gov't data and reformat it themselves and provide it for their customers. Does Jepp have some kind of exclusive contract with the gov't? -- dave j |
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In a previous article, said:
It would be better if there were some other suppliers who could provide database updates -- giving a little competition. I think that some of the smaller handheld GPS companies don't use Jepp data, but take the gov't data and reformat it themselves and provide it for their customers. The ones that don't use Jepp data are generally using DAFIF, which may be going away soon. See http://navaid.com/dafif.html for details. They also have the huge advantage that because they're doing data for handhelds, PDAs and/or flight simulators, they don't have large liability concerns the way Jepp does. Jepp charges a lot for their data because morons like Ron Brown's familiy sues them for an accident that is not their fault. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ DON'T MAKE THAT FACE WHEN I TELL YOU TO READ THE F*CKING MANUAL! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU I SAY! How do you think I found out how the machine works? DID I SIT AROUND ASKING SOMEBODY FOR A FEW MONTHS?? -- Beable van Polasm |
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wrote: I could not agree more. It's a totally new ongoing expense. It used to be that pilots were responsible for their own nav data (ie, charts and plates) and now the club is going to be responsible for it. Just a bit more squeeze, especially considering that the pilots are still going to have to have current charts/plates. It would be better if there were some other suppliers who could provide database updates -- giving a little competition. I think that some of the smaller handheld GPS companies don't use Jepp data, but take the gov't data and reformat it themselves and provide it for their customers. Does Jepp have some kind of exclusive contract with the gov't? No, they have a monopoly by default. No one else wants to assume the highly technical procedures and liability risks that Jeppesen assumes by massaging, formatting, and often correcting errors in the government source. Why not let the goverment do it? They have the ultimate answer to lawsuits, they don't care if they get sued, it takes forever, and even if they lose, they pay with someone else's money. |
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And, this is all going to tighten up even more with the advent of
RNP terminal instrument procedures and their absolute intolerance for any database errors. Why are these less tolerant of db errors than GPS or WAAS? |
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