More Panel computers.....

This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

At 05:20 16 September 2009, wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

Well spotted, however I think 1.2amps at 5v might be a bit high. I do like
the idea of fitting the wifi aerial and getting live satellite feeds and
cockpit to cockpit comms for team flying though!

Jim

On Sep 15, 10:45*pm, Jim White wrote:
At 05:20 16 September 2009, wrote:This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

Well spotted, however I think 1.2amps at 5v might be a bit high. I do like
the idea of fitting the wifi aerial and getting live satellite feeds and
cockpit to cockpit comms for team flying though!

Jim

Er... doesnt that equate to .5amps at 12V?

Er... doesnt that equate to .5amps at 12V?

Only if the device that provides the 5V from the 12V glider battery is
100% efficient........

On Sep 15, 10:20*pm, "
wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

It has 400 cd/m^2 brightness - 1/4 the max brightness of the Craggy
Ultimate, 1/3 of the ClearNav. Not clear if that's adequate. The only
reference I could find suggests you need 1000 cd/m^2 to be readable in
direct sunlight.

9B

Let's throw another one into this mix.

I have one of these which I use for flying my Warrior:
http://www.aviationsafety.com/flight_cheetahfl190.html
It's based on this Samsung Display:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/o...ype=prd_detail
Samsung doesn't list a display brightness on the specs page, but having
used it numerous times in the air, I've never seen screen brightness to
be a problem. But with all these devices which have been lately pointed
out here, how do you fit the thing into a glider cockpit?

But what I actually fly with is a Nokia 500 PNA, which I bought off eBay
for $110. I unlocked it and loaded XCSoar on it, along with a whole
group of software called MioPocket. And, it still has all its original
PNA functionality. Yes, screen brightness is a slight problem, but I
can live with it as is.

Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

I agree Ed,

I think the pace of development on XCSoar, its features,
functionality, platforms and the direct user input and support has
surpassed many, if not all of the Commercially available software for
Moving Map Soaring/Flying Software.

I think that anyone in the business would be remiss in not suggesting
XCSoar as
a good solution for the hardware they sell.

Frankly, I think you will sell a lot more Hardware for the under $300
solutions than the
over $1500 solutions for Aviation branded hardware versions with
virtually the identical functionality.

I hope Paul see this logic and adds XCSoar to his reviews and
suggested solutions so that
folks at any income level can enjoy the benefits this technology
offers.

At the very least it will allow you to participate in the OLC for much
less than a dedicated logger.

Ray


On Sep 16, 4:53*am, Ed Winchester wrote:
Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. *You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. *I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. *I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. *I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

Hi Ray,

I agree that low cost hardware platforms are great.

But to me, the $248 for SeeYou Mobile, or $95 for Glide Navigator II, is
worth every penny. Going "free" on software can be expensive in regard to
time spent setting it up, having issues before or during flight, etc. To a
certain extent, you do "get what you pay for". Especially since I work very
hard supporting SeeYou Mobile and Glide Navigator II. Also, Andrej at
SeeYou does a fantastic job supporting SeeYou users.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.


"jb92563" wrote in message
...
I agree Ed,

I think the pace of development on XCSoar, its features,
functionality, platforms and the direct user input and support has
surpassed many, if not all of the Commercially available software for
Moving Map Soaring/Flying Software.

I think that anyone in the business would be remiss in not suggesting
XCSoar as
a good solution for the hardware they sell.

Frankly, I think you will sell a lot more Hardware for the under $300
solutions than the
over $1500 solutions for Aviation branded hardware versions with
virtually the identical functionality.

I hope Paul see this logic and adds XCSoar to his reviews and
suggested solutions so that
folks at any income level can enjoy the benefits this technology
offers.

At the very least it will allow you to participate in the OLC for much
less than a dedicated logger.

Ray


On Sep 16, 4:53 am, Ed Winchester wrote:
Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

Don't forget to look at FlyWithCE Navigator http://www.flywithce.com/

You can use it for free also... same price as XCSoar

and not some trial version that alerts you every 2 minutes to tell you it's
not the real stuff.....it isn't a trial "simulator version, but one you can
actually fly with and use...and it's not a trial version you can only run on
a PC to see if you like it....it's the real stuff.

The PDA set-ups are still about the best bargain there is..they do just
about everything a $2000-$3000 or more computer can do for a fraction of the
cost...
FlyWithCE Navigator is really very good, easy to use PDA software....and you
can use it for free also...just like free XCSoar...
You can buy FlyWithCE Navigator also....but....it is free and 100%
functional for the first 30 days...same as if you buy it....but...after 30
days it's still free and functional..you lose only some extra features, that
if you want you can get by simply buying the software for about 1/2 the
cost of any other commercially sold glider software....what you lose with
the free version after 30 days is IGC* (not approved, but then none of the
PDA flight files are) flight file storage, the ability to select pre-planned
tasks, BitMap (sectional chart) display...and that's about it....everything
else works, just the same as if you had purchased it....and to most of us,
the free version is all we want....
I've used most of the other PDA software and FlyWithCE is IMHO far easier to
use that all of the others, far more intuative than others.
As for support, Uros has always been terrific and answering questions and
making changes if somene pointed out something useful to ad or change..and
thougn I don't have on-line support to sell you, I think any number of my
FlyWithCE Customers will tell you that I too have spent plenty of time with
them, walking them through set-up, showing them where to find data and even
installing the software "ready-to-fly" complete with their glider polars,
databases, even pilot names and contest numbers all registered to the
software when they bought PDA packages and even when they simply wanted to
try it.
It's good stuff...I use it myself and that's why I support it and offer
it...
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/FlyWithCE%20options.htm
tim

Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

Hi Ed,

You are correct to a certain extent. I don't know much about XCSoar because
I don't sell it. Since it's free I can't sell it. I'm not trying to avoid
it or push only products I can sell, but there is no motivation for me to
spend my time trying to figure it out. Every time I've gone to the XCSoar
web site I have been unable to find clear information that would help me
install it on my PDA or PNA. I'm a pretty technical person and the web site
is not intuitive to me.

It if was easy to install then maybe I would include it in my newsletter,
but my impression is that it is not easy to install and therefore mainly for
high tech glider pilots that can work their way through the installation,
etc.

I'm glad that some glider pilots like it. That is fine. More power to
them. I'm not getting rich selling soaring software. However, I am
sincerely a fan of the soaring software I sell and support. I think it is
great and worth every penny. Some glider pilots will choose to buy SeeYou
Mobile, Glide Navigator II or pocket*StrePla and some will choose the free
software.

On the other hand, I do a lot of paid support for Glide Navigator II and
SeeYou Mobile customers. They seem to appreciate that I can walk them
through installing the using the software. I suppose I could get paid to do
the same for XCSoar. Perhaps I just need to dig into it and get familiar
with it so I can support it. But so far my attempts to get to know it have
ended in frustration. I hear it is neat software, but the level of effort
required doesn't seem worth it to me. Of course, once I got over the
initial hurdles I imagine I would find it less difficult than I anticipated.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

"Ed Winchester" wrote in message
...
Let's throw another one into this mix.

I have one of these which I use for flying my Warrior:
http://www.aviationsafety.com/flight_cheetahfl190.html
It's based on this Samsung Display:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/o...ype=prd_detail
Samsung doesn't list a display brightness on the specs page, but having
used it numerous times in the air, I've never seen screen brightness to be
a problem. But with all these devices which have been lately pointed out
here, how do you fit the thing into a glider cockpit?

But what I actually fly with is a Nokia 500 PNA, which I bought off eBay
for $110. I unlocked it and loaded XCSoar on it, along with a whole group
of software called MioPocket. And, it still has all its original PNA
functionality. Yes, screen brightness is a slight problem, but I can live
with it as is.

Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar as
software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products that
make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al