Orienting the Approach.

On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Wooops, maybe the handoff something got jagged up on where you were in
relation to the airport.

No question about it, I would have gotten a clarification from ATC
before initiating the approach as I can't imagine they wanting you to
cross mid field for 17L

On your last question, you are only cleared for 17L so it's not a
matter of which runway.

On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

In article aa7be375-132b-467d-b79a-3257bd8c57a7
@q23g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...

On May 31, 5:09*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

* Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

Sounds good to me.

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe wrote:
/snip/
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W
&&&
Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

Sounds good to me.



Well, that's what I did, and there was no problem.
In fact the FAA recommended join is 45 degrees to the downwind leg, so a
left turn onto downwind was no issue.
Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen when
both runways are not in use, obviously.

Regards

Brian W
p.s. As people remark to me all the time: there are only old pilots
left, any more. GenAv is suffering from an emigration of flight schools
to Brazil (!!) would you believe!

In article , betwys1
@sbcglobal.net says...

Dave Doe wrote:
/snip/
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W
&&&
Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.

Sounds good to me.



Well, that's what I did, and there was no problem.
In fact the FAA recommended join is 45 degrees to the downwind leg, so a
left turn onto downwind was no issue.
Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen when
both runways are not in use, obviously.

Not at all. It's up to the controllers surely (I assume we're talking
about a towered/controlled field!?!?)

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe wrote:
In article , betwys1
@sbcglobal.net says...
Dave Doe wrote:
/snip/
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W
&&&
Sounds like you'd turn left onto the downwind, turn right base and fly
past 17R to turn final and land on 17L.
Sounds good to me.


Well, that's what I did, and there was no problem.
In fact the FAA recommended join is 45 degrees to the downwind leg, so a
left turn onto downwind was no issue.
Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen when
both runways are not in use, obviously.

Not at all. It's up to the controllers surely (I assume we're talking
about a towered/controlled field!?!?)


This was the situation on Sunday at Wiley Post,(PWA) at Oklahoma City.

I would expect Oke City Approach (at Will Rogers) to vector traffic
appropriately, if PWA 17L & R were both active. But it's the
controllers' call, no doubt!

Brian W

brian whatcott wrote:

Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen
when both runways are not in use, obviously.


Obviously? Isn't the one you're making the approach to in use?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
brian whatcott wrote:
Flying a right pattern across a parallel runway would only happen
when both runways are not in use, obviously.


Obviously? Isn't the one you're making the approach to in use?




Yes indeed, the clearance was to 17L PWA from the west.
17R a shorter runway there, was not in use.

Brian W

brian whatcott wrote:
On transfer from a Class C approach controller to a Class D tower
facility under the umbrella, I got the following direction yesterday
when flying in from the west:

"Fly a right downwind to runway 17L , clear to land."

Got the picture?
What is the first turn direction?
On which runway do you turn final from base?

:-)

Brian W

I think my response would be along the lines of "WTF do you want me to do?",
although phrased a bit more gentle.



--
Jim Pennino

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