Chrome Moly shortage

Aircraft Spruce said that the only supplier of chrome moly just went out
of business. There may be a new company coming on line early in 2004.
But right now the prices are skyrocketing and availability is dropping.
It is likely that even with a new company making it the prices will be higher.
There's gotta be a market for this stuff besides airplanes. Like race
cars and stuff.

Glad I left the wood parts to do last on my plane.

MS

doubt that seriously
They may have said that, dont know, wasnt there.
There supplier may have went out of biz. but 4130 tube is used in lots
of bicycles etc.
Try here
www.shapirosupply.com/

Mr Nobody wrote:
Aircraft Spruce said that the only supplier of chrome moly just went out
of business. There may be a new company coming on line early in 2004.
But right now the prices are skyrocketing and availability is dropping.
It is likely that even with a new company making it the prices will be higher.
There's gotta be a market for this stuff besides airplanes. Like race
cars and stuff.

Glad I left the wood parts to do last on my plane.

MS

My source says that the shortage is only for flat plate, not tubing.
Charlie Vogelsong (who Aircraft Spruce and the others buy their 4130
from) is apparently on top of the situation and expects it to be
resolved within a few months.

On 30 Nov 2003 12:57 PM, sean trost posted the following:
doubt that seriously
They may have said that, dont know, wasnt there.
There supplier may have went out of biz. but 4130 tube is used in lots
of bicycles etc.
Try here
www.shapirosupply.com/

Mr Nobody wrote:
Aircraft Spruce said that the only supplier of chrome moly just went
out of business. There may be a new company coming on line early in
2004. But right now the prices are skyrocketing and availability is
dropping. It is likely that even with a new company making it the
prices will be higher. There's gotta be a market for this stuff
besides airplanes. Like race cars and stuff. Glad I left the wood
parts to do last on my plane. MS


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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:08:28 +0000, Del Rawlins wrote:

www.shapirosupply.com

Thanks for the info. I was ordering some plate and some tubing. They
were out of the plate but not the tubing come to think of it. I added the
link to my bookmarks too.
Again, thanks all.

Mike

In article, Mr Nobody
[ ]"They were out of the plate but not the tubing [ ] Mike"

Actually they are out of 'normaized' condition 4130 plate/sheet.
In the mean time annealed condition is still avaliable. Would an experienced
member please outline procedure for normalizing from annealed back to usable
normalized condition (prior?) to cutting out parts.

Thanks in advance, Lyle

Actually they are out of 'normaized' condition 4130 plate/sheet.
In the mean time annealed condition is still avaliable. Would an experienced
member please outline procedure for normalizing from annealed back to usable
normalized condition (prior?) to cutting out parts.

Thanks in advance, Lyle


In annealing an alloyed steel, the part is heated to just above the "critical"
(varies according to the alloy, 1550 degrees F rings a bell for 4130)
temerature. Around 50 degrees F above, IIRC, at which point the steel is single
phase austenite. The part is then slowly cooled, austenite is retained, as much
as possible. Steel is then very ductile and easy to work.
To normalize, the steel is first heat treated to the hardened state by, again,
heating to critical temperature but this time quenching in the proper medium
for that particular alloy. 4130, I think, can be either oil quenched or air
quenched. The steel is then tempered or "drawn" to the correct R "c" scale for
normalizing.
Some steels do not require the tempering step in the normalizing process and
can be cooled in still air from the critical temperature and be ready to go.
So...make your parts from the annealed material. It will work easier, bend
using a much smaller radius without cracking and be easier on your drill bits.
Take the parts to a commercial heat-treater and tell them you want the parts
normalized. Specify "no scale" and they will come back shiny and bright from
being heat-treated in a vacuum furnace or take them to a Tool&Die shop who will
probably heat treat them for free if you dont mind waiting until they have a
load to go into their furnace. To prevent scale, they will wrap the parts in SS
foil before placing in oven.

Regards,
Warren