Handling differences between the 15m vs 16.6 ASW-20CL?

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

On Jun 16, 8:07*am, Gary wrote:
This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

Gary,
Try the ASW-20 Newsgroup.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASW20owners/

enjoy the new glider....best glider ever built!

Dan
ASW-20
WO

On Jun 16, 11:18*am, Dan wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:07*am, Gary wrote:

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

Gary,
Try the ASW-20 Newsgroup.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASW20owners/

enjoy the new glider....best glider ever built!

Dan
ASW-20
WO

Hi Dan! I think I heard those same words from you earlier in the week,
didn't I? I am sure I'll have fun in it. My second 20, seperated by 25
years....glad to own one again. The first was an early model 20 003
from Rudy Moser in '78.
Gary
GA2

That's funny. I bought my first ASW 20 in 1981, then moved to a 20B in 1989, then sold that and got an ASW 24 in 2003, then sold that and bought a share in my original ASW 20 in 2010, then sold that and bought another ASW 20 with much fewer hours in 2012.

Ulli Werneburg

On Thursday, 16 June 2011 11:39:41 UTC-4, Gary Adams wrote:
On Jun 16, 11:18*am, Dan wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:07*am, Gary wrote:

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

Gary,
Try the ASW-20 Newsgroup.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASW20owners/

enjoy the new glider....best glider ever built!

Dan
ASW-20
WO

Hi Dan! I think I heard those same words from you earlier in the week,
didn't I? I am sure I'll have fun in it. My second 20, seperated by 25
years....glad to own one again. The first was an early model 20 003
from Rudy Moser in '78.
Gary
GA2

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Gary
wrote:

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams


Sell the 16.6m extensions - the 20 is too light with them.

If I remember correctly, the 15m version has a better L/D from 65 kts
upwards - you hardly fly slower. A climb rate advantage of the 16.6
meters version is only noticeably in very, very weak thermals.


Andreas

On Jun 17, 8:13*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Gary
wrote:

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

Sell the 16.6m extensions - the 20 is too light with them.

If I remember correctly, the 15m version has a better L/D from 65 kts
upwards - you hardly fly slower. A climb rate advantage of *the 16.6
meters version is only noticeably in very, very weak thermals.

Andreas

Thanks, Andreas.....I'm starting to get that from everybody. Can't
find any advantage to using anything but the 15m winglets.
Gary GA2

On Jun 17, 7:14*pm, Gary wrote:
On Jun 17, 8:13*pm, Andreas Maurer wrote:





On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Gary
wrote:

This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

Sell the 16.6m extensions - the 20 is too light with them.

If I remember correctly, the 15m version has a better L/D from 65 kts
upwards - you hardly fly slower. A climb rate advantage of *the 16.6
meters version is only noticeably in very, very weak thermals.

Andreas

Thanks, Andreas.....I'm starting to get that from everybody. Can't
find any advantage to using anything but the 15m winglets.
Gary GA2

Gary,

I had a Ventus b with 15 and 16.6 tips. I loved the 16.6's in the
spring and fall. Mine had winglets added on the 16.6 and they handled
as well as the 15m tips with winglets. I felt I had better glide up to
about 80 knots and very noticeable better ability to climb in light
conditions. With about a 9 pound wingloading it was one of my favorite
configurations to fly the Ventus.

Tim

On Jun 16, 8:07*am, Gary wrote:
This past week I purchased an ASW-20CL. Wondered if anyone has any
thoughts on the handling qualities of the 2 configurations. The 15m
version is equiped with Nixon winglets. The previous owner never flew
with the extended tips so could not offer opinion or advice.

Thanks, Gary Adams

I have flown the 20b and the LS-3a with the 16.6 wing tip extensions
and IMHO neither did much to improve the glide and just made the roll
rate noticably slower. They may have just extended an airfoil that was
optimized for the 15 meter span which had been chosen to give a gentle
stall and didn't increase the performance when extended. I believe
only SH got it right when extending the wings with their Ventus and
Numbus. Schleicher figured it out and changed the last 10' in order to
get the desired results in both the 15 meter and 18 meter
configurations on the 29.
Just my observations & opinions,
JJ